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Old 08-20-2018 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
We don't have a flow.
He's asking us if delta would tbnt on the interview. Should he get the flow or take a chance with the interview in other words.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
He's asking us if delta would tbnt on the interview. Should he get the flow or take a chance with the interview in other words.
What is the percentage of Endeavor pilots with a guaranteed interview that get an offer?

A couple years ago I heard it was 2/3 got an offer.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
What is the percentage of Endeavor pilots with a guaranteed interview that get an offer?

A couple years ago I heard it was 2/3 got an offer.
Right now 0, no one has done the DGI, And about 64% passed the easier one day only interview from the SSP. The only thing You should come here for is the money.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by web500sjc
Right now 0, no one has done the DGI, And about 64% passed the easier one day only interview from the SSP. The only thing You should come here for is the money.
You don't know what the second day entails, do you?

I'll give you a hint, the SSP interview wasn't meant to be "easier." It's incredibly rare for someone who passes the first day to get booted on day two.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
You don't know what the second day entails, do you?

I'll give you a hint, the SSP interview wasn't meant to be "easier." It's incredibly rare for someone who passes the first day to get booted on day two.
It was easier, it didn't contain the initial screening, nor could those things count against you, e.g. not having a degree. How many OTS get to fail out of college, and still get a CJO? However, these things count against you in the DGI.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
You don't know what the second day entails, do you?

I'll give you a hint, the SSP interview wasn't meant to be "easier." It's incredibly rare for someone who passes the first day to get booted on day two.
You should tell that to our chief pilot and former MEC chair that it wasn’t supposed to be easier. He sold it to the pilots as a 20 minute handshake meet and greet.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
It was easier, it didn't contain the initial screening, nor could those things count against you, e.g. not having a degree. How many OTS get to fail out of college, and still get a CJO? However, these things count against you in the DGI.
You discussion is all about getting the interview in the first place, not the interview itself. The point of it was to be easier to get the interview. The DGI still does that, but doesn't include some exemptions to be able to interview that the SSP had.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by web500sjc
You should tell that to our chief pilot and former MEC chair that it wasn’t supposed to be easier. He sold it to the pilots as a 20 minute handshake meet and greet.
He's also selling newhires that hats are required when while he was MEC chairman we negotiated to make hats optional... He was questioned about that SSP sales job during the BK roadshows and blew off the questions/concerns that it wasn't in writing the way he was selling it.... Karma, TW, Karma.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by web500sjc
You should tell that to our chief pilot and former MEC chair that it wasn’t supposed to be easier. He sold it to the pilots as a 20 minute handshake meet and greet.
I don't recall hearing him say that, but I can believe he would have. I once talked to him in DTW ops when he was making the rounds and he told one group of pilots one thing, and then within 5 minutes was telling another group something the complete opposite (as in contradictory) because that's what they would want to hear. When he was MEC chair I didn't trust a single word he said.

Someone who's been around long enough may recall he had told original 9E (Pinnacle) pilots during road shows the union would "fix" 9E pilots longevity dates not matching their hire dates at a later time, but to go ahead and vote in what was then the TA (this would be before bankruptcy) to get it done and trust them. Asked about that one and he responded that he'd never waste negotiating capital that would only benefit one premerger segment of the pilot group. He's a politician and he acts like one, that's all there is to it.

I'm perusing through old e-mails right now to see what I can find was said in those, but I can really believe that he'd have said something like that at least in a road show if not in writing. It's been over 5 years now.
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Old 08-20-2018 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
He's also selling newhires that hats are required when while he was MEC chairman we negotiated to make hats optional... He was questioned about that SSP sales job during the BK roadshows and blew off the questions/concerns that it wasn't in writing the way he was selling it.... Karma, TW, Karma.
Here's a snippet from a union Q&A about the SSP, before interviews started:
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What should I expect in the interview?
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Pinnacle pilots who participate in the SSP in seniority order will be exempted from the pilot candidate initial screening process that applies to other Delta pilot candidates. The content and schedule of the SSP may change
, but the interview process is anticipated to contain the testing and panel interview elements of Delta’s current “Day 1” pilot selection process, a review of a Pinnacle pilot’s employment and training records and potentially certain elements of Delta’s current “Day 2” interview process.
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It doesn't really say much, but the testing and panel parts of the interview are the biggest parts. Again, I don't know if I've heard of someone not making it through day 2.

Honestly, it's really surreal reading these e-mails, as these updates are interspaced with talk of displacements, attrition, and rate of aircraft removal from service (with a few 900s arriving) and base closures.

It looks like shortly before the SSP interviews started, there is an entire memo devoted to discussing the program including topics to study and a massive list of books to read. That should have at least been a red flag for anyone going to interview that it was going to be a real interview.
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