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Old 08-25-2016, 10:45 AM
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Nope, I think the system was broken at the front end after the first time scope was relaxed. Regionals will always get the short end going against a mainline and have limited power to fight or fix something without a mainline partner or ALPA's help. Regional system needs to go away as it exists now today and all hiring done at the mainline. NEVER to be a DOH for a regional pilot.
Agreed. Mainline pilots definitely dropped the ball numerous times.

What are your thoughts on our management's typical approach to scope lately whereby they want to shrink DCI seats and block hours (probably only nominally this time, especially seats) in exchange for more 76ers but less hulls/hours/seats overall?

Personally I don't like it because it breaths some degree of life and sustainability into the regional model going forward. However the case could be made that it does indeed shrink the size of regionals and transfers a little of the pilot count to mainline.
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Old 08-25-2016, 11:14 AM
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Agreed. Mainline pilots definitely dropped the ball numerous times.

What are your thoughts on our management's typical approach to scope lately whereby they want to shrink DCI seats and block hours (probably only nominally this time, especially seats) in exchange for more 76ers but less hulls/hours/seats overall?

Personally I don't like it because it breaths some degree of life and sustainability into the regional model going forward. However the case could be made that it does indeed shrink the size of regionals and transfers a little of the pilot count to mainline.
In a nutshell I agree 100% everything you previously stated. The current system breeds discrimination against regionals. Don't think that was the original intent but it is the outcome. If management goes to you at mainline and says we want to cut pay and benefits at top for the heavy drivers all ho*y h*ll breaks loose and going to be a big fight. When they go to a regional like Endeavor not much happens when pay is going to be cut. Yes it continues to improve and we may be the best in the industry now thanks to Delta but still a regional in the end. The only way for it to end is for it to cease to exist and become part of the mainline again. Not at the expense of any mainline pilot in pay, position or benefit however!
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Old 08-25-2016, 11:20 AM
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In a nutshell I agree 100% everything you previously stated. The current system breeds discrimination against regionals. Don't think that was the original intent but it is the outcome. If management goes to you at mainline and says we want to cut pay and benefits at top for the heavy drivers all ho*y h*ll breaks loose and going to be a big fight. When they go to a regional like Endeavor not much happens when pay is going to be cut. Yes it continues to improve and we may be the best in the industry now thanks to Delta but still a regional in the end. The only way for it to end is for it to cease to exist and become part of the mainline again. Not at the expense of any mainline pilot in pay, position or benefit however!
Well according to all these adds on here........we get to skip the line........ And we're the only defined path to delta.........mean while all the guys with CJO's are having hundreds of people go on top of them seniority wise.....
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Old 08-25-2016, 11:27 AM
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What happens in 2018 when the $20k yearly bonus goes away? Any word on what the plan is to attract new hires? Otherwise it will come time for these guys to upgrade and they will make the same they made as an FO.
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Old 08-25-2016, 11:30 AM
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What happens in 2018 when the $20k yearly bonus goes away? Any word on what the plan is to attract new hires? Otherwise it will come time for these guys to upgrade and they will make the same they made as an FO.
Promise everything........give nothing...... Jk no clue
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Old 08-25-2016, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
Agreed. Mainline pilots definitely dropped the ball numerous times.

What are your thoughts on our management's typical approach to scope lately whereby they want to shrink DCI seats and block hours (probably only nominally this time, especially seats) in exchange for more 76ers but less hulls/hours/seats overall?

Personally I don't like it because it breaths some degree of life and sustainability into the regional model going forward. However the case could be made that it does indeed shrink the size of regionals and transfers a little of the pilot count to mainline.
I'll have a go as well. I think none of it really matters. Leave it here or take our flying to mainline. It makes no difference. The economy is as such that it behooves the mainline to use their own equipment and ensure their own reliability to keep investors happy and high ratings. Given the cyclic nature and volatility of the market, a time will again come when the mainline will want to save money by directing more regional flying. Ebb and flow, just like the human body after eating too much cheese and getting drunk as fk
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What's a estimate for upgrade for a NYC base right now? Just curious
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Old 08-25-2016, 01:49 PM
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What's a estimate for upgrade for a NYC base right now? Just curious
Your limiting factors will be how much time you have, not doh. 5 months is the current upgrade in NY.
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Old 08-25-2016, 01:49 PM
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[QUOTE=prex8390;2188408]What's a estimate for upgrade for a NYC base right

Guessing 18-24 months. Just a guess.
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Old 08-25-2016, 03:04 PM
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What's a estimate for upgrade for a NYC base right now? Just curious
With prior 121 and or qualifying 135 time? Quick!
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