Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
11-08-2016, 11:50 AM
#8031
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: FIRE ALPA
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone
ISL 16-01 has 1560 pilots
ISL 16-05 has 1689 pilots
That's growth.
We added 20 aircraft this year.
That's growth
Sounds like 15-20 more aircraft this upcoming year.
That's growth
Our growth is only limited by our ability to recruit pilots. People making statements on forums about us not growing, posts making it sound like 10+ pilots have been forced to reserve lines don't help the cause and are false. The company would prefer to displace pilots into the New York market. It would be quicker, easier, and have the NYC domiciles staffed already. If they were staffed at 100% I think they would already be looking at another market for our pilots (southern base) Instead they have listened to the pilot group and are more slowly growing the NY market. Yet the pilots who don't want to be displaced are now complaining that they don't have the schedule they want. The key here is hiring and complaining about good pay, growth, and quick upgrades again will not help the cause.
I want a Detroit base with a line, I know that's not going to happen. So I bid away, I get to commute. This is not what I wanted, but what looked best to me. Tough choice, but a choice.
This company is growing, giving us choices, and paying us well. What more do you want?
ISL 16-05 has 1689 pilots
That's growth.
We added 20 aircraft this year.
That's growth
Sounds like 15-20 more aircraft this upcoming year.
That's growth
Our growth is only limited by our ability to recruit pilots. People making statements on forums about us not growing, posts making it sound like 10+ pilots have been forced to reserve lines don't help the cause and are false. The company would prefer to displace pilots into the New York market. It would be quicker, easier, and have the NYC domiciles staffed already. If they were staffed at 100% I think they would already be looking at another market for our pilots (southern base) Instead they have listened to the pilot group and are more slowly growing the NY market. Yet the pilots who don't want to be displaced are now complaining that they don't have the schedule they want. The key here is hiring and complaining about good pay, growth, and quick upgrades again will not help the cause.
I want a Detroit base with a line, I know that's not going to happen. So I bid away, I get to commute. This is not what I wanted, but what looked best to me. Tough choice, but a choice.
This company is growing, giving us choices, and paying us well. What more do you want?
My point is that over the last 9 months or so everything has been not only small growth in the company, it's been big growth in New York at the expense of MSP and DTW, bases that were already lifer heavy. We had over 120 bidding 900 captains in DTW this spring, we were down to 96 last month, and continuing to drop... that's not growth where it matters to some of us. Will that turn around? Who knows, but my guess is only if GoJets gets the boot. ATL (or any other base) would be great as long as it doesn't come at the expense of our other bases and is true growth. New York has come at the expense of other bases more than being real growth. By your numbers we've grown by 129 pilots, except that now over 500 are based in New York. That means over 370 had to come out of MSP, MEM, ATL, DTW. (I don't include the old Colgan bases as they were gone before going into NYC) To me that's much more a reshuffle (to a place many would rather not go to) than real growth.
Will it be nice to see another 20 200's? sure but at what cost? I'd rather see real movement off the top of the seniority list, not the middle to bottom, but that opportunity sunk with the SSP.
11-08-2016, 11:52 AM
#8032
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Originally Posted by slowyourroll
No one is "making it sound" like junior captains in DTW and MSP are back on reserve they are reporting the current state of those positions. To say that those statements are false is incorrect. Are they "forced" to stay there and endure reserve? No, but you're very dismissive of their concerns.
You make assumptions that the company would rather displace...not always the case. The financial implications and training events generated by displacements can be prohibitive. If they displace MSP/DTW 900 CA it can cause a trickle down impacting multiple positions.
The choices we are being given are LGA or JFK and 200 or 900. The talk recently has those choices being decided for us...co-domicile and dual-qual would eliminate those questions.
I agree we have choices but many options are not on the table right now.
You make assumptions that the company would rather displace...not always the case. The financial implications and training events generated by displacements can be prohibitive. If they displace MSP/DTW 900 CA it can cause a trickle down impacting multiple positions.
The choices we are being given are LGA or JFK and 200 or 900. The talk recently has those choices being decided for us...co-domicile and dual-qual would eliminate those questions.
I agree we have choices but many options are not on the table right now.
11-08-2016, 12:21 PM
#8033
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 365
Originally Posted by Urbandrone
ISL 16-01 has 1560 pilots
ISL 16-05 has 1689 pilots
That's growth.
We added 20 aircraft this year.
That's growth
Sounds like 15-20 more aircraft this upcoming year.
That's growth
Our growth is only limited by our ability to recruit pilots. People making statements on forums about us not growing, posts making it sound like 10+ pilots have been forced to reserve lines don't help the cause and are false. The company would prefer to displace pilots into the New York market. It would be quicker, easier, and have the NYC domiciles staffed already. If they were staffed at 100% I think they would already be looking at another market for our pilots (southern base) Instead they have listened to the pilot group and are more slowly growing the NY market. Yet the pilots who don't want to be displaced are now complaining that they don't have the schedule they want. The key here is hiring and complaining about good pay, growth, and quick upgrades again will not help the cause.
I want a Detroit base with a line, I know that's not going to happen. So I bid away, I get to commute. This is not what I wanted, but what looked best to me. Tough choice, but a choice.
This company is growing, giving us choices, and paying us well. What more do you want?
ISL 16-05 has 1689 pilots
That's growth.
We added 20 aircraft this year.
That's growth
Sounds like 15-20 more aircraft this upcoming year.
That's growth
Our growth is only limited by our ability to recruit pilots. People making statements on forums about us not growing, posts making it sound like 10+ pilots have been forced to reserve lines don't help the cause and are false. The company would prefer to displace pilots into the New York market. It would be quicker, easier, and have the NYC domiciles staffed already. If they were staffed at 100% I think they would already be looking at another market for our pilots (southern base) Instead they have listened to the pilot group and are more slowly growing the NY market. Yet the pilots who don't want to be displaced are now complaining that they don't have the schedule they want. The key here is hiring and complaining about good pay, growth, and quick upgrades again will not help the cause.
I want a Detroit base with a line, I know that's not going to happen. So I bid away, I get to commute. This is not what I wanted, but what looked best to me. Tough choice, but a choice.
This company is growing, giving us choices, and paying us well. What more do you want?
Every airline, including regionals, have bases that are very senior. I would love to not be commuting from MSP to NY... but here I am. Remember too that this isn't a charity, they're running a business.
11-08-2016, 01:22 PM
#8034
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Originally Posted by msprj2
All jr. Captains are on rsv. In every domicile. Senior CA's get 18 days off. For CA's and FO's MSP and DTW are senior on both AC. Growth now is in NY. Any domicile for FO's can be held in less than a year in both AC.
You're right about the FO's but I was under the impression we were talking about 10 year CA.
11-08-2016, 02:19 PM
#8035
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Position: B767/757 CAPT
Posts: 146
Originally Posted by Aubieflyer
Thanks Avro. I'm weighing the options of a return with 7 year longevity and commuting to NYC to other spots. Trying to get a good grasp of the situation there right now. A spot in DTW or ATL (if it happened) would be better but well understand my place in line and trying to see where it would fall.
LGA is the much better commute over JFK for me but I see that JFK is the much bigger base. Does that translate to faster movement and less time on reserve in JFK?
Also, I see that there are many more 900s in NYC than 200s. Would that also mean more/faster movement on the 900 (in NYC only, I understand that DTW and MSP are never going to move)? Throw into that the rumor of more 200s and how that would affect movement.
I don't care about the airframe, my goal is LGA and fastest movemnt. Chime in on what you think would best achieve that goal.
Thanks for all the info.
LGA is the much better commute over JFK for me but I see that JFK is the much bigger base. Does that translate to faster movement and less time on reserve in JFK?
Also, I see that there are many more 900s in NYC than 200s. Would that also mean more/faster movement on the 900 (in NYC only, I understand that DTW and MSP are never going to move)? Throw into that the rumor of more 200s and how that would affect movement.
I don't care about the airframe, my goal is LGA and fastest movemnt. Chime in on what you think would best achieve that goal.
Thanks for all the info.
11-08-2016, 03:00 PM
#8036
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Position: B-767 FO
Posts: 554
Originally Posted by AnotherWriter
Preach it.
Every airline, including regionals, have bases that are very senior. I would love to not be commuting from MSP to NY... but here I am. Remember too that this isn't a charity, they're running a business.
Every airline, including regionals, have bases that are very senior. I would love to not be commuting from MSP to NY... but here I am. Remember too that this isn't a charity, they're running a business.
11-08-2016, 03:43 PM
#8038
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Posts: 325
Originally Posted by FreightWasScary
Career progression and more money solves all of 9e's staffing problems. 10 grand is nice but a guaranteed shot at being a big daddy A330 CA is better.
11-08-2016, 03:48 PM
#8039
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Hey guys and gals, what is upgrade time currently over there for folks that have prior 121 Jet PIC time? I've heard 6 months as well, APC says April 2016 most junior captain. True? and is this holding up? Thanks!
11-08-2016, 04:02 PM
#8040
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Position: CRJ 200 CA
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Originally Posted by Upntheair27
Hey guys and gals, what is upgrade time currently over there for folks that have prior 121 Jet PIC time? I've heard 6 months as well, APC says April 2016 most junior captain. True? and is this holding up? Thanks!
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