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Old 11-22-2017 | 11:15 AM
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Old 11-24-2017 | 05:28 AM
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They better at least match at a minimum, or they will feel long term effects. This includes the reserve rule changes, pay rates and commuting rules...time to finally adapt to the times.
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Old 11-24-2017 | 05:55 PM
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They better at least match at a minimum, or they will feel long term effects. This includes the reserve rule changes, pay rates and commuting rules...time to finally adapt to the times.
EDV 2nd year FO pay will be only $7.81/hr less than Envoy year 2 CA pay.
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Old 11-25-2017 | 10:29 AM
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I know for a fact lateral movements and decisions to go to EDV has already ramped up in only a couple days into TA passage. 2 Buddy's at XJT, 2 others in flight school, another at a part 135. Hearing the same from others.

The buzz is growing all over the country. Our recruiting numbers at ENY will drop slightly I'm sure. Hard to make predictions but I've seen ENY over the years make slow decisions, often reactionary rather than assertive leadership. Maybe it's the whole AA managing 3/WO thing & leadership structure. I don't know. I do know that trends don't lie, people do. Historical trend and data are not deceptive, words from people in mgmt are.

Going to EDV & Delta is a no brainer decision. DL/EDV takes good care of its people & they have much better pay & QOL than Eagle/ENY. Hell most of the other WO have better QOL & RSV rules also.

Let's "grow grow grow" huh?

"We have the flow"

You will not need the flow starting next year through the next 8yrs. Remember, if industry takes a dive due to economic or global damnation, NOBODY will flow or get hired by any big 6 major! Has the lightbulb turned on yet? Chase the QOL/Money/Base, not unknown wet dream or flows. It's nice back pocket, that's all. Look back at how management behaved historically when times were tough & good, flow is no guarantee when simple contract language & sprit of the contracts are being violated. #Truth
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Old 11-25-2017 | 11:07 AM
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Old 11-25-2017 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
I know for a fact lateral movements and decisions to go to EDV has already ramped up in only a couple days into TA passage. 2 Buddy's at XJT, 2 others in flight school, another at a part 135. Hearing the same from others.

The buzz is growing all over the country. Our recruiting numbers at ENY will drop slightly I'm sure. Hard to make predictions but I've seen ENY over the years make slow decisions, often reactionary rather than assertive leadership. Maybe it's the whole AA managing 3/WO thing & leadership structure. I don't know. I do know that trends don't lie, people do. Historical trend and data are not deceptive, words from people in mgmt are.

Going to EDV & Delta is a no brainer decision. DL/EDV takes good care of its people & they have much better pay & QOL than Eagle/ENY. Hell most of the other WO have better QOL & RSV rules also.

Let's "grow grow grow" huh?

"We have the flow"

You will not need the flow starting next year through the next 8yrs. Remember, if industry takes a dive due to economic or global damnation, NOBODY will flow or get hired by any big 6 major! Has the lightbulb turned on yet? Chase the QOL/Money/Base, not unknown wet dream or flows. It's nice back pocket, that's all. Look back at how management behaved historically when times were tough & good, flow is no guarantee when simple contract language & sprit of the contracts are being violated. #Truth
Based on some of the projections I’ve seen from AA regarding their retirements, even if the US or global economy took a major hit to a point that historically they would consider furloughing they simply can’t. And in fact it is likely that they wouldn’t even be able to stop hiring for very long depending on exactly when a hypothetical event took place. The numbers are staggering.
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Old 11-26-2017 | 02:22 PM
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Anyone heard anything on a 20dollar per hour raise across the board for both FOs and CAs?
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Old 11-26-2017 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
Anyone heard anything on a 20dollar per hour raise across the board for both FOs and CAs?
Yep. Heard that it's not gonna happen.
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Old 11-28-2017 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
Anyone heard anything on a 20dollar per hour raise across the board for both FOs and CAs?
For some pay steps, that would still be less than Endeavour pay rates. Hilarious eh? And by “hilarious”... I mean sad.
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Old 12-01-2017 | 03:27 PM
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So Commutair is paying FO's captain rates 2nd year. I bet a lot of people didnt know this.


https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...onal/commutair
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