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01-04-2020 | 02:52 PM

#1301

dera

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Originally Posted by TransWorld

Thanks for your info. When you said the 10-11 group, did you mean the 10/11/2011 through 12/23/2014 hires?

My question was for that group.

If so, that would mean that group will all flow before the end of 2020. Then progression of DOH will slow down.

That's the one.

They are all gone in 7 months. As of now, the next group(that is, everyone else) will flow at roughly the same rate as 10-11.

01-04-2020 | 03:42 PM

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pitchattitude

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dera

I don't have the info you are looking for.

I would wait 11 days and look at the latest official list.

Currently there are 144 pilots(might be off by a few) in the 10-11 group. The most junior pilot in the next AA class is the last protected pilot.

After a few beers i should be able to figure out total 12 month attrition too.

Edit. Few beers later. 540ish total 12 month attrition. New hire moved up just under 500 spots in the past 12 months.

If there were 540 total attrition in the year, shouldn’t a new hire moved up that much? The hypothetical “Charlie Bucket” new guy should have moved up the most as all attrition should have been ahead of him unless there was a unusual amount of people that didn’t make through the first year immediately after he was hired?

Someone two to four years in would have moved up much less as there would be more attrition below as that’s where the highest attrition is.

Just trying to get a better picture of what is going on.

01-04-2020 | 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pitchattitude

Majority of attrition (non flow) is in the first year.

01-04-2020 | 03:47 PM

#1304

pitchattitude

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Originally Posted by havick206

Majority of attrition (non flow) is in the first year.

Again, I agree but that really means like I said in my edit that there were a lot more hired with more attrition than “average” behind the person hired one year ago.

Would mean we lost more this year than last in new hires.

01-04-2020 | 04:48 PM

#1305

dera

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From: Whale FO

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Originally Posted by havick206

Majority of attrition (non flow) is in the first year.

Wrong.

Filler.

01-04-2020 | 04:49 PM

#1306

dera

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From: Whale FO

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Originally Posted by pitchattitude

There isn't much attrition at year 1.
So a new guy will move a ton first 12 months, when there aren't that many people leaving behind him during that year.

01-04-2020 | 07:29 PM

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black cat

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Originally Posted by dera

Yeah I compared the wings, they are subtly different. None of this really matters.

I was more curious as to where in our FOM it prohibits the APA lanyards.

01-05-2020 | 05:31 AM

#1308

Cyio

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Originally Posted by black cat

I was more curious as to where in our FOM it prohibits the APA lanyards.

Actually a valid question as I went to look for you and couldn't find a reference for it. In the new searchable cba there is nothing under uniforms and no link to a LOA that may override it.

Interesting as I know I have seen it, perhaps in the fm1?