Envoy 2019
01-18-2019, 10:37 AM
#231
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All the non-sense above is just that, non-sense. For an FO coming on property now, you would be stupid to not choose the 175 (a growing fleet). 145 has no growth therefore reserve will be lengthy, when compared to the 175. Reserve will be minimal on the 175 for the folks coming on over the next 6months at least.
***only exceptions would be if you want mia or lga, then get the 145
***only exceptions would be if you want mia or lga, then get the 145
01-18-2019, 10:47 AM
#232
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
All the non-sense above is just that, non-sense. For an FO coming on property now, you would be stupid to not choose the 175 (a growing fleet). 145 has no growth therefore reserve will be lengthy, when compared to the 175. Reserve will be minimal on the 175 for the folks coming on over the next 6months at least.
***only exceptions would be if you want mia or lga, then get the 145
***only exceptions would be if you want mia or lga, then get the 145
Those of us who had a dream run on the 145 were mid-late 2016 hires. The party is well and truly over on the 145 and it’s now simply a matter of replacement those who move on.
At rate Envoy is taking on new 175 airframes, that will be a massive expansion of block hours on that fleet.
01-18-2019, 11:26 AM
#233
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Originally Posted by havick206
The above advice is the most sound. To re-iterate, unless you specifically want LGA or MIA as an FO you would be crazy not pick the 175 (growing fleet).
Those of us who had a dream run on the 145 were mid-late 2016 hires. The party is well and truly over on the 145 and it’s now simply a matter of replacement those who move on.
At rate Envoy is taking on new 175 airframes, that will be a massive expansion of block hours on that fleet.
Those of us who had a dream run on the 145 were mid-late 2016 hires. The party is well and truly over on the 145 and it’s now simply a matter of replacement those who move on.
At rate Envoy is taking on new 175 airframes, that will be a massive expansion of block hours on that fleet.
01-18-2019, 11:38 AM
#234
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Originally Posted by havick206
The above advice is the most sound. To re-iterate, unless you specifically want LGA or MIA as an FO you would be crazy not pick the 175 (growing fleet).
Those of us who had a dream run on the 145 were mid-late 2016 hires. The party is well and truly over on the 145 and it’s now simply a matter of replacement those who move on.
At rate Envoy is taking on new 175 airframes, that will be a massive expansion of block hours on that fleet.
Those of us who had a dream run on the 145 were mid-late 2016 hires. The party is well and truly over on the 145 and it’s now simply a matter of replacement those who move on.
At rate Envoy is taking on new 175 airframes, that will be a massive expansion of block hours on that fleet.
Is there enough captains for said massive expansion?
2016 & early 2017 hiring wave have upgraded or entered training footprint, the rest are having a hard time getting flight-time.
Will take many many months to upgrade mid 2017 to end of 2017 hires as they are stuck on reserve not flying as FOs.
01-18-2019, 11:45 AM
#235
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
Is there enough captains for said massive expansion?
2016 & early 2017 hiring wave have upgraded, the rest are having a hard time getting flight-time.
Will take many many months to upgrade mid 2017 to end of 2017 hires as they are stuck on reserve not flying as FOs.
2016 & early 2017 hiring wave have upgraded, the rest are having a hard time getting flight-time.
Will take many many months to upgrade mid 2017 to end of 2017 hires as they are stuck on reserve not flying as FOs.
So far the company has managed to cover all the various fleet shuffle, new airframes (new old 140’s and more 175’s).
As much as the company appears to be reactive given the AA flight file, so far they’ve delivered on manning what they promised. I wouldn’t expect that to change going forward.
I’m usually pessimistic, but over the last two years those of us giving bleak outlooks have been proven wrong on just about every prediction.
01-18-2019, 11:52 AM
#236
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Originally Posted by havick206
Ok let me take a step back, the word ‘massive’ is relative to the 175 fleet type only. Overall company growth is moderate guaging by RW and Pedro’s company emails.
So far the company has managed to cover all the various fleet shuffle, new airframes (new old 140’s and more 175’s).
As much as the company appears to be reactive given the AA flight file, so far they’ve delivered on manning what they promised. I wouldn’t expect that to change going forward.
I’m usually pessimistic, but over the last two years those of us giving bleak outlooks have been proven wrong on just about every prediction.
So far the company has managed to cover all the various fleet shuffle, new airframes (new old 140’s and more 175’s).
As much as the company appears to be reactive given the AA flight file, so far they’ve delivered on manning what they promised. I wouldn’t expect that to change going forward.
I’m usually pessimistic, but over the last two years those of us giving bleak outlooks have been proven wrong on just about every prediction.
I understand your perspective. Company tho reactive, seems very versatile in handling these appearances of crisis waves.
I’m not sure about the no more E145 growth sentiments, company has a terrible way of surprising everyone.
A Piedmont merger possibility still maintains an all Embraer fleet status. Also the E175 being utilized out west is always a possibility to create E145 staffing demands in all other bases.
Last edited by SilentLurker; 01-18-2019 at 12:03 PM.
01-18-2019, 12:03 PM
#237
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
I understand your perspective. Company tho reactive, seems very versatile in handling these appearances of crisis waves.
I’m not sure about the no more E145 growth sentiments, company has a terrible way of surprising everyone.
A Piedmont merger possibility still maintains an all Embraer fleet status. Also the E145 being utilized is a always a possibility.
I’m not sure about the no more E145 growth sentiments, company has a terrible way of surprising everyone.
A Piedmont merger possibility still maintains an all Embraer fleet status. Also the E145 being utilized is a always a possibility.
The only growth the 140/145 fleet will see is if the company gets better/more efficient use of the fleet we already have.
There aren’t exactly any new 140/145’s to take an and expand the fleet like 175’s.
01-18-2019, 01:57 PM
#239
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Originally Posted by hollandaise
I have a job offer with Envoy + Flex Jet.
I can't decide... end goal are the majors but quality of life is important.
Thoughts on going with FlexJet and still getting to the majors? Is it possible?
I can't decide... end goal are the majors but quality of life is important.
Thoughts on going with FlexJet and still getting to the majors? Is it possible?
I just left Envoy for a 135. Getting to a major right away, not likely (however stranger things have happened). Plenty of guys however move up to U/LCCs, ACMIs, FedEx, etc. with biz jet time.
I made the switch for QOL and pay reasons. I couldn’t support myself mentally or financially at Envoy and don’t have the pipe dream of working for dAAddy.
Also depends on your age. ABSOLUTE worst case scenario, you spend some time at Flexjet and go to a regional down the line if no one takes you, possibly with some jet PIC time that would still count toward an upgrade.
01-18-2019, 02:02 PM
#240
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Originally Posted by hollandaise
I have a job offer with Envoy + Flex Jet.
I can't decide... end goal are the majors but quality of life is important.
Thoughts on going with FlexJet and still getting to the majors? Is it possible?
I can't decide... end goal are the majors but quality of life is important.
Thoughts on going with FlexJet and still getting to the majors? Is it possible?
QOL at Envoy is not good.
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