I hear ya. I don't work for Envoy so I can't speak to the specifics of whats going on over there.

I would question where the 90-110 estimate is coming from. If it's coming from someone trying to get him to sign on the dotted line for whatever this program is I would question it. Find an instructor who's been there several months already and see what they say.

Second, on what basis is he qualifying for a restricted ATP? My understanding is that those are for graduates of qualified university 141 programs.

But again, I think by the time your friend is ready for a 121 job most regionals will already be offering the CTP program, which is what you need to taken the ATP written these days.

 

Anyone have an idea of vacation time at Envoy? I assume it's 7 days to start. Do you get that within your first year or after your first year? Thanks!



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If you google Aero Crew News, they have put together a table comparing that kind of stuff for both the majors and regionals.

 

Every month you are in the company is a day for next ear. If you start before the 15th of a month you get credit for the whole month. So...that said, if you start let's say June 1st, you will get June credit + the next 6 months = 7 days off next year.

Once you complete the 1st yer, then is 2 weeks off until your 7th year (thank you concessionary TA). Before at the end of the 5th year you get 3 weeks of vac.

 

Thanks for the info, guys.

 

I see a lot of mixed emotions about the flow at envoy. I know it may seem hard to clarify but the airline industry, especially the regional side is somewhat unpredictable. We can choose how we want to live and where we want to work at the present time, irrespective of what the future holds.

However, with the information we have, and from what I read from others that have posted. It seems there was a 3year flow which turned out to be 16 because American was simply not hiring because of a downcycle.
Would it be possible to get on the E175 at envoy in 2016 and with the current state projected in 2016, how long would it take for someone to flow to American?

 

It will probably be possible to be on the 175 in 2016, as we are scheduled to be taking deliveries then. But I don't see why it matters which equipment you are flying, since pay is the same regardless of equipment.

It's impossible to accurately say how long the flow would take. Right now, it's a 16 year flow, and American is consistently taking about 20 pilots per month. Theoretically, the wait to flow-through should become quicker, and the optimists among us tend to believe it will. However, as you have stated, if American stops hiring, the flow comes to a screeching halt. It would be nice if it does happen, but most people don't want to wait that long. I wouldn't plan on depending on the flow as any more than a last-ditch backup plan. However, you should be able to apply off the street to any major, including American. Pretty much all Eagle FOs are trying to get to a major or LCC, not waiting for the mythical flow. A lot of Eagle FOs are currently getting hired at places like JetBlue, Frontier, Atlas, etc.

 

How many pilots are bailing out of Envoy now? 50 or 60 a month? You're down to two domiciles and headed for being half or a third your largest size. That's gotta hurt, folks.

 

Net loss of 22 last month.

 

And almost every month 15-25 guys flow to AA.