New Envoy Information
04-19-2016 | 09:02 AM
#2481
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This is what people trying to gleam anything from all this should be looking for: the tidbits of truth they don't even know they are spewing.
I took away all the BS. This person admits people are trying to "ruin the furniture". Why do you think that is? Why are so many people, who are supposed to be so happy about flowing after 16 years, doing this? The truth lies within these little tidbits, and that truth is they are trying to gloss over that daily life at envoy, past the shiny jet stage, is nothing but a grind with very few days off. These nasty and stupid management types are your slave drivers.
But don't worry, you have an airtight flow! The same airtight flow that suckered in the guys now flowing, just 16 years ago.
Those who do not study history are destined to repeat it. That saying has stood the test of time because of its pure virtue.
04-19-2016 | 09:13 AM
#2482
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From: CRJ
These articles you are referencing here are ancient. If you can't tell, the landscape has shifted. AAG recognizes the value Envoy provides to the overall operation and it's evident with their actions. We are getting returning 140/145's from the desert and other carriers. We continue to take delivery of brand new 175's. And I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see some additional 175's in our near future either.
Your negativity and just throwing a bunch of old articles out here isn't going to change the positive things we have going on here at Envoy. We have 28 new hires this month and next month we are projected to get even more. Why do you think this is? If this place is as bad as you say, we wouldn't be able to get even one new hire. They are coming because they want to be AA pilots and have a career at the largest airline in the world. Guess who has the most robust flow to AA? Yep, you guessed it. Envoy. I'm sorry that gets you in a wad but it's a fact.
Envoy still hires selectively. We don't just hire every Tom, Dick and Harry that shows up at our door. Remember, we are hiring an AA pilot. It's not easy to get in and you have to do your homework and have a great background to even be eligible. These are not what I would call "bad quality" candidates.
I do fly the line here some so I know what the vibe is out there and it's not at all what you are painting it to be.
Your negativity and just throwing a bunch of old articles out here isn't going to change the positive things we have going on here at Envoy. We have 28 new hires this month and next month we are projected to get even more. Why do you think this is? If this place is as bad as you say, we wouldn't be able to get even one new hire. They are coming because they want to be AA pilots and have a career at the largest airline in the world. Guess who has the most robust flow to AA? Yep, you guessed it. Envoy. I'm sorry that gets you in a wad but it's a fact.
Envoy still hires selectively. We don't just hire every Tom, Dick and Harry that shows up at our door. Remember, we are hiring an AA pilot. It's not easy to get in and you have to do your homework and have a great background to even be eligible. These are not what I would call "bad quality" candidates.
I do fly the line here some so I know what the vibe is out there and it's not at all what you are painting it to be.
Thanks that your admission you "fly the line here some". Are you management or training?
04-19-2016 | 09:14 AM
#2483
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True on both points, which explains why Envoy is being reduced to half it's original size. Once it's small enough, it won't be on the worst list of DOT major airlines.
As the WSJ link below points out, regionals serve their major. As long as American is near the bottom of the list, how can their regionals be any better?
The Best and Worst Airlines - WSJ
Rank Overall rank
1 Alaska
2 Virgin Amer.
3 Delta
4 jetBlue
5 Southwest
6 Frontier
7 American
8 United
When does Envoy plan on improving the QOL of their pilots?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ct-pilots.html
As the WSJ link below points out, regionals serve their major. As long as American is near the bottom of the list, how can their regionals be any better?
The Best and Worst Airlines - WSJ
Rank Overall rank
1 Alaska
2 Virgin Amer.
3 Delta
4 jetBlue
5 Southwest
6 Frontier
7 American
8 United
When does Envoy plan on improving the QOL of their pilots?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ct-pilots.html
Here is the WSJ rankings for this year. AA is below Spirit in dead last. That's right kids! You too can flow right into the worlds biggest(and worst) airline(probably).
04-19-2016 | 09:16 AM
#2484
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From: CRJ
What is the projection for the Envoy fleet 5 years from now? Is there one or aren't they telling you?
04-19-2016 | 09:26 AM
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From: CRJ FO
How could anyone not see that American Airlines Group would be one of the worst?? Look how the passengers and customers are treated. This place is run by bean counters, not leaders. It should be employees, customers, shareholders. Not shareholders, maybe? customers, then employees dead last. Happy employees equal happy customers.
04-19-2016 | 09:34 AM
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How could anyone not see that American Airlines Group would be one of the worst?? Look how the passengers and customers are treated. This place is run by bean counters, not leaders. It should be employees, customers, shareholders. Not shareholders, maybe? customers, then employees dead last. Happy employees equal happy customers.
The same is true for the management at envoy. The Ric Wilsons, Neiders, and Pedro's of the world are just interested in self preservation of their cushy office jobs. They aren't flowing. They know they have a great family job that pays well, as long as they do whatever they are told to do by their puppeteers. This way, somehow, the puppeteers have once or more removed themselves from the lies.
04-19-2016 | 09:45 AM
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From: forever fo
This is the United states it's sad how greed and making money is more important than taking care of each other and being a loving tribal unit. It is what it is though it's the modern industrial world. Look on the bright side you didn't die of mumps at 4.
If you think the belly aching above is unique to American your out of touch with reality. The only slightly different culture is Delta, and you need decide if you want to spend 25-40 years of your short time on this planet in the cockpit with the pilots at delta.
If you think the belly aching above is unique to American your out of touch with reality. The only slightly different culture is Delta, and you need decide if you want to spend 25-40 years of your short time on this planet in the cockpit with the pilots at delta.
04-19-2016 | 10:19 AM
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Ahh yes yet another gem from a management propagandist.
This is what people trying to gleam anything from all this should be looking for: the tidbits of truth they don't even know they are spewing.
I took away all the BS. This person admits people are trying to "ruin the furniture". Why do you think that is? Why are so many people, who are supposed to be so happy about flowing after 16 years, doing this? The truth lies within these little tidbits, and that truth is they are trying to gloss over that daily life at envoy, past the shiny jet stage, is nothing but a grind with very few days off. These nasty and stupid management types are your slave drivers.
But don't worry, you have an airtight flow! The same airtight flow that suckered in the guys now flowing, just 16 years ago.
Those who do not study history are destined to repeat it. That saying has stood the test of time because of its pure virtue.
This is what people trying to gleam anything from all this should be looking for: the tidbits of truth they don't even know they are spewing.
I took away all the BS. This person admits people are trying to "ruin the furniture". Why do you think that is? Why are so many people, who are supposed to be so happy about flowing after 16 years, doing this? The truth lies within these little tidbits, and that truth is they are trying to gloss over that daily life at envoy, past the shiny jet stage, is nothing but a grind with very few days off. These nasty and stupid management types are your slave drivers.
But don't worry, you have an airtight flow! The same airtight flow that suckered in the guys now flowing, just 16 years ago.
Those who do not study history are destined to repeat it. That saying has stood the test of time because of its pure virtue.
04-19-2016 | 01:15 PM
#2490
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From: CRJ
...instead of their management???
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