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07-16-2016 | 10:45 AM
#4031
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Everyone I talked to about coming here told me it's an ok place to be but if they had a choice they would go else where . Current 4 year guys I know are willing to jump ship and start somewhere else and upgrade faster . I just feel that the company if they really respected their pilot group would do endeavor style bonuses for everyone on property and offer the e175 for current pilots FIRST and then new hires .
07-16-2016 | 12:37 PM
#4033
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So do you think that AAG would just flow it's WOs to the point where their feed is disrupted and it affects their profits? Don't be a fool. I work for a WO and even I know that unless we can all get new hires in the door, there will ultimately be no flow. If you have a year (maybe two?) to flow, sure stick around. If not, you're a fool to stay for it and count on it.
The union is likely to play ball as they would rather have SOME flow than none at all while the company goes against the agreement and YEARS are spent duking it out before reaching a last minute decision. See LTFO grievance. STILL going on from 2012 and STILL not a complete resolution And a lousy settlement to boot.
Right now, Envoy is a dumpster fire. A dumpster fire that is a ticking time bomb regarding staffing.
07-16-2016 | 01:37 PM
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Chris, you actually get it here. Envoy is not going to flow themselves out of business just to honor the contract. After the last 824 flows over, you will see a significant readjustment of the Envoy flow downward to a more palatable number. Say 8 to 10 per month.
The union is likely to play ball as they would rather have SOME flow than none at all while the company goes against the agreement and YEARS are spent duking it out before reaching a last minute decision. See LTFO grievance. STILL going on from 2012 and STILL not a complete resolution And a lousy settlement to boot.
Right now, Envoy is a dumpster fire. A dumpster fire that is a ticking time bomb regarding staffing.
The union is likely to play ball as they would rather have SOME flow than none at all while the company goes against the agreement and YEARS are spent duking it out before reaching a last minute decision. See LTFO grievance. STILL going on from 2012 and STILL not a complete resolution And a lousy settlement to boot.
Right now, Envoy is a dumpster fire. A dumpster fire that is a ticking time bomb regarding staffing.
07-16-2016 | 01:37 PM
#4035
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Chris, you actually get it here. Envoy is not going to flow themselves out of business just to honor the contract. After the last 824 flows over, you will see a significant readjustment of the Envoy flow downward to a more palatable number. Say 8 to 10 per month.
The union is likely to play ball as they would rather have SOME flow than none at all while the company goes against the agreement and YEARS are spent duking it out before reaching a last minute decision. See LTFO grievance. STILL going on from 2012 and STILL not a complete resolution And a lousy settlement to boot.
Right now, Envoy is a dumpster fire. A dumpster fire that is a ticking time bomb regarding staffing.
The union is likely to play ball as they would rather have SOME flow than none at all while the company goes against the agreement and YEARS are spent duking it out before reaching a last minute decision. See LTFO grievance. STILL going on from 2012 and STILL not a complete resolution And a lousy settlement to boot.
Right now, Envoy is a dumpster fire. A dumpster fire that is a ticking time bomb regarding staffing.
07-16-2016 | 04:20 PM
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What specifically was you question about 2013 ?
07-16-2016 | 04:31 PM
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Chris, you actually get it here. Envoy is not going to flow themselves out of business just to honor the contract. After the last 824 flows over, you will see a significant readjustment of the Envoy flow downward to a more palatable number. Say 8 to 10 per month.
The union is likely to play ball as they would rather have SOME flow than none at all while the company goes against the agreement and YEARS are spent duking it out before reaching a last minute decision. See LTFO grievance. STILL going on from 2012 and STILL not a complete resolution And a lousy settlement to boot.
Right now, Envoy is a dumpster fire. A dumpster fire that is a ticking time bomb regarding staffing.
The union is likely to play ball as they would rather have SOME flow than none at all while the company goes against the agreement and YEARS are spent duking it out before reaching a last minute decision. See LTFO grievance. STILL going on from 2012 and STILL not a complete resolution And a lousy settlement to boot.
Right now, Envoy is a dumpster fire. A dumpster fire that is a ticking time bomb regarding staffing.
It's just moving deck chairs on the Titanic. This fall they will flow 20-30/month and lose another 10/month to outside attrition.
If they slow the flow to 10/month, you will see attrition pick up to at least 20-30/month as guys that were hanging around for the flow check out.
In either scenario, the airline is shrinking. If they want people to stay, they're going to have to do something drastic. The more they need the pilots, the more money they will throw at them. Things are more likely to keep going in that direction, not get dramatically worse, as you claim. Might be a dumpster fire for management, but the pilots are doing just fine.
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07-16-2016 | 05:17 PM
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I second this. Our staffing debacle is full tilt. If the company takes away from anything it is currently offering, it will only serve to make people leave quicker. The Union should offer ZERO negotiations right now. Let our "Leaders" fix the problems or not. The flow should be the least of the worries. They need to get people in the door or we will not last much more than a couple years
07-16-2016 | 05:19 PM
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It's just moving deck chairs on the Titanic. This fall they will flow 20-30/month and lose another 10/month to outside attrition.
If they slow the flow to 10/month, you will see attrition pick up to at least 20-30/month as guys that were hanging around for the flow check out.
In either scenario, the airline is shrinking. If they want people to stay, they're going to have to do something drastic. The more they need the pilots, the more money they will throw at them. Things are more likely to keep going in that direction, not get dramatically worse, as you claim. Might be a dumpster fire for management, but the pilots are doing just fine.
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If they slow the flow to 10/month, you will see attrition pick up to at least 20-30/month as guys that were hanging around for the flow check out.
In either scenario, the airline is shrinking. If they want people to stay, they're going to have to do something drastic. The more they need the pilots, the more money they will throw at them. Things are more likely to keep going in that direction, not get dramatically worse, as you claim. Might be a dumpster fire for management, but the pilots are doing just fine.
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07-16-2016 | 09:52 PM
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I agree that the pilots will be just fine. There will be plenty of jobs out there. It's a matter of seniority as well. Some here may not think Spirit or Jetblue is a place to land and that the flow will take them to AA. It may or may not. Getting on at a LCC gives you just as good a chance to get in the door at AA or any other legacy.
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