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Old 07-17-2016 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980
Source please.
We hired 11 on July 4th. We have a class of 11 starting tomorrow, the 18th.
And we very rarely have someone not show up for class.
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Old 07-17-2016 | 08:19 PM
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Thanks. However, what is your source?
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Old 07-18-2016 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GodIsGood
We hired 11 on July 4th. We have a class of 11 starting tomorrow, the 18th.
And we very rarely have someone not show up for class.
Nope but they just walk out once they find out they can't have the shiny 175, unless you bribe them with more money. All the while, our union bends over and allows it all.

The 175 makes up a very small percentage of the fleet. Sooner or later you are going to have to stop circumventing the rules of seniority and stop screwing over our senior FOs - they will bid the 175 and close the hiring door. That or the union will keep being a bunch of weenies and allow you to continue hiring only to the 175, but even then, you can only take so many onto that plane because all of your flows and senior FOs getting ****ed and leaving are coming from the 145.

Not to worry, I'm sure the union will help you find a way to sucker in new hires while still hosing the senior people.
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Old 07-18-2016 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
You'll note I said "some of you guys"........well, obviously, you didn't. .


You quoted me. You've lumped me into your conspiratorial groups on many occasions. Don't try to squirm out from under what you said, your point was obvious. As usual, you really don't answer the question, just more dodging and finger pointing.


By the way, there's a new hire class today. I don't know any numbers, though.
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Old 07-18-2016 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GodIsGood
We hired 11 on July 4th. We have a class of 11 starting tomorrow, the 18th.
And we very rarely have someone not show up for class.
Sounds like a great time to be an Envoy pilot.

The Tide is Turning. #TIT
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Old 07-18-2016 | 06:52 AM
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Reading this thread is quite entertaining. It's like watching a building implosion, but the demo crew is inside when they drop the plunger.
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Old 07-18-2016 | 07:23 AM
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Are you not entertained?
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Old 07-18-2016 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
Nope but they just walk out once they find out they can't have the shiny 175, unless you bribe them with more money. All the while, our union bends over and allows it all.

The 175 makes up a very small percentage of the fleet. Sooner or later you are going to have to stop circumventing the rules of seniority and stop screwing over our senior FOs - they will bid the 175 and close the hiring door. That or the union will keep being a bunch of weenies and allow you to continue hiring only to the 175, but even then, you can only take so many onto that plane because all of your flows and senior FOs getting ****ed and leaving are coming from the 145.

Not to worry, I'm sure the union will help you find a way to sucker in new hires while still hosing the senior people.
How are senior FOs going to bid the 175? They aren't allowed to bid it, they can only displace into it.
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Old 07-18-2016 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
How are senior FOs going to bid the 175? They aren't allowed to bid it, they can only displace into it.
I don't think Sr FOs wants to bid the 175 of it means a seat lock. Most guys are just waiting for upgrade. Maybe 2014-2015 hires want the 175 for the better relative seniority.

The list will balance itself eventually, once the 175 FOs are stuck there until 2016 hires start upgrading. It's just a cycle...
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Old 07-18-2016 | 08:45 AM
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According to a well known source that will be in less than 3 years!!!!
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