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Old 10-24-2016 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Maybe... March seems to be thrown around a lot as they special date. I am sure PSA wants to take more Envoy CRJs. Why you all are still happy about under cutting our CRJ pilots is beyond me. Taking planes for less pay and bragging about it is a major low blow for your pilot group.
Our pilots have better pay, schedules, contract, and quality of life. How are we undercutting you?
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Old 10-24-2016 | 01:37 PM
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Envoy pilots enjoy feeling bad for themselves, and blaming everyone else. It comes from being abused for years by management. Just let them keep complaining.

They are like Hillary supporters. There is no amount of truth or evidence that will ever prove them to be wrong.
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Old 10-24-2016 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg
They just awarded 16 OCCs on the most recent bid, plus about ten or more on the one in September. That's not a bad amount of upgrades for a 35 aircraft fleet.
That's 26. How many CRJ CA's have gone to AA since the last bid? How many are projected to flow in the next 6 months. How many of those are in the training department? They are hiring 20+ E145 instructors right now. How many CRJ instructors are they hiring? If the CRJ'so are not going away soon, the company will be behind the ball again. This time, I don't see that happening. Something big is in the works. My opinion.
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Old 10-24-2016 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Eject
That's 26. How many CRJ CA's have gone to AA since the last bid? How many are projected to flow in the next 6 months. How many of those are in the training department? They are hiring 20+ E145 instructors right now. How many CRJ instructors are they hiring? If the CRJ'so are not going away soon, the company will be behind the ball again. This time, I don't see that happening. Something big is in the works. My opinion.
They went ahead of the game upgrading a lot of guys from last years until this bid.

The CRJ is the only well staffed plane. It's the only equipment without critical coverage the whole month of November.
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Old 10-24-2016 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Eject
I agree. There's no way they are keeping all the CRJ's until 2018. Look at the number of CRJ drivers flowing (both on the line and in the training department). Where are their replacements? I bet envoy is an all-Embraer operator by the end of 2017.
Hence why they keep posting for and training new check airmen.
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Old 10-24-2016 | 05:04 PM
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Was told today some confusing info regarding the bid system... looming for clarification.

Instead of using PBS and letting pilots build their own trips each month they made it seem like they build an entire month's worth of trips and we bid on a monthly line, almost like bidding on an entire package of trips instead of individual trips?
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Old 10-24-2016 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Eject
That's 26. How many CRJ CA's have gone to AA since the last bid? How many are projected to flow in the next 6 months. How many of those are in the training department? They are hiring 20+ E145 instructors right now. How many CRJ instructors are they hiring? If the CRJ'so are not going away soon, the company will be behind the ball again. This time, I don't see that happening. Something big is in the works. My opinion.
We could count, but it's not worth my time. The schedule email every month shows that our crj block hours are increasing and it's the only fleet that has adequate staffing.

Something about your "there aren't any replacement pilots coming" claim doesn't add up.

What does add up is that by your own admission you are heading to AA very shortly, and like clockwork you have adapted the burn-it-down mentality of many of the flows who have come before you.
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Old 10-24-2016 | 05:05 PM
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Was told today some confusing info regarding the bid system... looming for clarification.

Instead of using PBS and letting pilots build their own trips each month they made it seem like they build an entire month's worth of trips and we bid on a monthly line, almost like bidding on an entire package of trips instead of individual trips... why would they do that?
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Old 10-24-2016 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Kazansky
Was told today some confusing info regarding the bid system... looming for clarification.

Instead of using PBS and letting pilots build their own trips each month they made it seem like they build an entire month's worth of trips and we bid on a monthly line, almost like bidding on an entire package of trips instead of individual trips?
that is correct
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Old 10-24-2016 | 05:12 PM
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Why in the world would they do that?
(That's a serious question. Please refrain from the water cooler banter that this type of question usually elicits).
I genuinely don't understand why someone from a cubicle who probably doesn't really care very mich about how a trip is put together (except
For meeting monthly mins) would be in charge instead of the actual pilots???

That was a major red flag for me.

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