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Old 11-24-2016 | 01:03 PM
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I didn't see anything in my packet from CAE or in the email from recruiting, so what is the dress code for the CAE training center during the ATP-CTP course? I am packing slacks and polos, but I wanted to be sure.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I didn't see anything in my packet from CAE or in the email from recruiting, so what is the dress code for the CAE training center during the ATP-CTP course? I am packing slacks and polos, but I wanted to be sure.
Khakis and polo were common. As were jeans and polo. Dress code at the Envoy training center will be the same. Sounds like you're on the right track.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I didn't see anything in my packet from CAE or in the email from recruiting, so what is the dress code for the CAE training center during the ATP-CTP course? I am packing slacks and polos, but I wanted to be sure.
The email I got from Aerosim was for business casual. But again thats for aerosim.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by injun21
Gotcha, wasn't thinking. Thank you for pointing this out without calling me an idiot.
Apparently I'm an idiot too... Not sure why this is bad?
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Old 11-24-2016 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by What
From BK Envoy has an LOA to implement PBS or owe the company 8.6 million per year in concessions. This LOA is suspended until the company places 41 E75 on property and from that point the matter must be resolved in 120 days. You would be asking management to go from PBS or 8.6 million in conncesions to implanting a system that benefits the pilot. Not saying it can't happen, but you get the point.
Sounds like SAP will never happen at Envoy. Thanks for the insight. Too bad; seems like it would be a great recruiting tool and help morale/QOL across the board.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Antoine137
Sounds like SAP will never happen at Envoy. Thanks for the insight. Too bad; seems like it would be a great recruiting tool and help morale/QOL across the board.
Agreed. If Envoy had SAP, I'd be going there. As it stands, I'd rather forego the $$ and go to skywest or republic ahead of Envoy and the brutally bad schedules. You're locked in the same plane for 4 or 5 years (upgrade time), too, from what I understand. I live near ORD, but for some reason, I don't like the 145. I have something against lawn darts, I guess. CRJ is going away, so 145 is only game in town in ORD.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by slinger
Agreed. If Envoy had SAP, I'd be going there. As it stands, I'd rather forego the $$ and go to skywest or republic ahead of Envoy and the brutally bad schedules. You're locked in the same plane for 4 or 5 years (upgrade time), too, from what I understand. I live near ORD, but for some reason, I don't like the 145. I have something against lawn darts, I guess. CRJ is going away, so 145 is only game in town in ORD.
30 additional 700s were announced for AA a few months ago. These are the ones that came offline from United. They are also in addition to the current 700s already on property. So 40ish total 700s flying for AA

They will be split between ORD and PHX (and a few in LAX too?). Many if not all the ones going to PHX will be replacing the -200s

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...2-0-a-443.html


I would go to skywest if ord is your wish.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TrinityDawn
Me too.

Although I'm dreading having to listen to the twisted logic of several individuals about how we just need to play nice and take the concessions...
Cr700 will make the case, speak as if he speaks for all of us, and in the end only convince us more he's under Ric's desk.

I have used PBS in the past, it sucks, and I was senior. The union always makes it seem like it'll be OK if they run it, well that's a joke, because without any work rules it doesn't matter who runs it, and we have none.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 03:47 PM
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smutter got it, no work rules and minimum 5 hour pay per calendar day makes pbs just another pilot whipping tool implemented by the union. also half the mec members at envoy are management.
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Old 11-24-2016 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by slinger
Agreed. If Envoy had SAP, I'd be going there. As it stands, I'd rather forego the $$ and go to skywest or republic ahead of Envoy and the brutally bad schedules. You're locked in the same plane for 4 or 5 years (upgrade time), too, from what I understand. I live near ORD, but for some reason, I don't like the 145. I have something against lawn darts, I guess. CRJ is going away, so 145 is only game in town in ORD.
Problem is, all the trips suck at envoy. So you could drop trips to get more days off. But the pay would still suck. On the 700 our trips are from 13-18 hrs and a majority of the line are 11 days off. So you work 80 hrs and have 11 days off, or 72 hrs and 14 days off. No fixing that crap. Say you got an 80 hr line, meaning 11 days off, you drop a trip, you get 15 days off but 62 hrs. Sucks either way.
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