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Quit trying to wordsmith everything and twist it that the company isn't following through. They have been and will continue to do so. Do you want to flow or not? Help the situation instead of trying to torpedo everything would be a great start.
A wordsmith? Here is the exact quote you posted in November, on this site:Originally Posted by cr700
If you had paid attention to earlier posts, I said that AAG wanted 40/month from Envoy starting in January. Envoy will do everything possible to make that happen but staffing could end up being a concern. If they do meter, the aggregate will be caught up in later months in regards to the 824. The PP contractual flows and beyond remain unaffected. Quit trying to wordsmith everything and twist it that the company isn't following through. They have been and will continue to do so. Do you want to flow or not? Help the situation instead of trying to torpedo everything would be a great start.
"Check your company e-mail. AAG plainly stated that they wanted 40 per month starting in January. You can plan on it happening."
How dare I quote your actual words and expect them to be truthful, what jerk I am.
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So you have heard of the true up clause......Originally Posted by ORDinary
I could be wrong, don't have the contract in front of me, but isn't that taken out of context? Doesn't it say AE will make its "best effort" to do that? "Best effort" is meaningless in a contract.
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"Check your company e-mail. AAG plainly stated that they wanted 40 per month starting in January. You can plan on it happening."
How dare I quote your actual words and expect them to be truthful, what jerk I am.
That was and is a factual statement you are quoting. The staffing model that Envoy runs will ultimately be the decider for January. Yes, you could see 40 but just knowing where we are on staffing right now, they could bring the number down some. However, with the massive numbers of new hires coming in, we will soon see an overage in some statuses which will allow the 40/month to happen. Originally Posted by ORDinary
A wordsmith? Here is the exact quote you posted in November, on this site:"Check your company e-mail. AAG plainly stated that they wanted 40 per month starting in January. You can plan on it happening."
How dare I quote your actual words and expect them to be truthful, what jerk I am.
Don't overthink things or make it hard on yourself. The flow IS working as intended and the numbers are large and at baseline projections or BETTER.
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Don't overthink things or make it hard on yourself. The flow IS working as intended and the numbers are large and at baseline projections or BETTER.
Nice backtrack. We knew staffing was bad when you made the claim.Originally Posted by cr700
That was and is a factual statement you are quoting. The staffing model that Envoy runs will ultimately be the decider for January. Yes, you could see 40 but just knowing where we are on staffing right now, they could bring the number down some. However, with the massive numbers of new hires coming in, we will soon see an overage in some statuses which will allow the 40/month to happen. Don't overthink things or make it hard on yourself. The flow IS working as intended and the numbers are large and at baseline projections or BETTER.
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AFAIK, what it says is that when AA has hired 1648 pilots, 824 must be from Eagle (Envoy). I can't find the language, maybe someone else can.Originally Posted by ORDinary
Of course I've heard of it, just not sure it is rock solid.
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Don't overthink things or make it hard on yourself. The flow IS working as intended and the numbers are large and at baseline projections or BETTER.
Critical coverage declared for January. LTFO return day blanket denial HI6 sent out. Even Ms. Cleo can see what the staffing model that Envoy runs will ultimately decide for January.Originally Posted by cr700
That was and is a factual statement you are quoting. The staffing model that Envoy runs will ultimately be the decider for January. Yes, you could see 40 but just knowing where we are on staffing right now, they could bring the number down some. However, with the massive numbers of new hires coming in, we will soon see an overage in some statuses which will allow the 40/month to happen. Don't overthink things or make it hard on yourself. The flow IS working as intended and the numbers are large and at baseline projections or BETTER.
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Like I said I wasn't sure of the exact language, and I've asked a few union people and gotten mixed answers. I of course hope you are right, because then they'll pretty much have to send more than 30/mo for at least some of January through April or May.Originally Posted by Jersdawg
AFAIK, what it says is that when AA has hired 1648 pilots, 824 must be from Eagle (Envoy). I can't find the language, maybe someone else can.
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Right now we are ahead of the curve at 62.1%, according to Wilson's email, so there is no need to send more than 30 per month. In fact, they could withhold as much as legal in order to catch us up with the 50% aggregate. I'm not saying they will or they won't, but we are currently ahead of the curve, and somehow I feel like it will be exactly 1648 guys hired when we send the 824th. We will know in a few months!Originally Posted by ORDinary
Like I said I wasn't sure of the exact language, and I've asked a few union people and gotten mixed answers. I of course hope you are right, because then they'll pretty much have to send more than 30/mo for at least some of January through April or May.
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Yeah, I guess it depends on the size of the AA classes. I've heard anywhere from 750 to 1000 new hires there for 2017. In the past I think their summer classes have been a little smaller, so it seems that maybe the first 3 or 4 months they will have to run at capacity in the schoolhouse if they will make 800 or so for the year. If they manage 80-90/mo for the first quarter of the year we may fall behind the aggregate...or not. It's all just speculation. Originally Posted by Jersdawg
Right now we are ahead of the curve at 62.1%, according to Wilson's email, so there is no need to send more than 30 per month. In fact, they could withhold as much as legal in order to catch us up with the 50% aggregate. I'm not saying they will or they won't, but we are currently ahead of the curve, and somehow I feel like it will be exactly 1648 guys hired when we send the 824th. We will know in a few months!
It does look like the finishing of the 824 might be a couple of months before the 40th 175, so we will probably have some slim months of flow over the summer.
