lakehouse

It's extremely short right now, within a month or two. Captains are holding lines out of training. Fos within a month or two.

The flying has longer legs, fewer legs per day and higher credit. LGA emj has the best value system wide. Tons of Miami flying. Most trips go lga CVG mia day 1 Mia tlh Mia pit day 2, pit JFK orf Mia d3, Mia IND LGA d4 for an example. LGA has 35 min taxi for any leg going or coming to LGA so the values are much better even a short hop to orf is blocked at 1.35 and we do a good chunk of the JFK fly through which has the same. Otherwise we are flying the bulk of Miami which is 2-3 hours each way. It's a completely different job vs DFW/Ord (ESP Ord).

Almost all the captains in LGA will be 2008-2012 hires so your going to be flying mainly with guys in their early 30s. Also the NY base has always had a great and friendly culture. Egos aren't welcome.

bblake

Wow! They gave you 15 when they were only obligated to give you 5. That's huge.

bigtime209

Ding ding ding...someone gets it!

ORDinary

Come fly with ORD 145 pilots. Morale is down with the forced tdy, base shrinking, terrible schedules, along with the punitive missed assignments for fatigue calls, and the pressure to fly sick.

ORDinary

That is huge. That is also supply and demand.

Pedro4President

You my friend (April 2016 NH) hit the jackpot at Envoy. You had your choice of base and equipment. Your experience here will be match by NO ONE else. One month out of IOE you were holding a line in DFW. Less than one year from date of hire you are bidding top 30%ish in DFW. Guys getting hired right now are going to have it good but no where near what you had.

Compared to guys around my seniority (3yr). Only able to hold junior lines/senior reserve. However, once these new guys get off IOE and start transferring down here to DFW I look for things to get better. Compared to your situation where you will "stagnate" as a senior FO(which isn't a bad place to be). Unfortunately there is going to be cyclical movements in this company where one group does better than other groups. And some groups suffer drastically.

Jaffo

Anyone heard what the Feb 27 class will get as far as aircraft/bases?

bigtime209

No, usually not available until you show up to class on day 1. If you're in that class, let us know what the breakdown turns out to be.

DollaBillz

Yep, it's all cyclical and I definitely hit the jackpot. Not to mention the sims were so backed up that we got 2.5 months off between indoc and systems with pay and travel benefits, which for anyone reading are absolutely the best compared to any other carrier. I just feel it's necessary to provide some other perspective than doom and gloom. Guys that are happy with their jobs generally don't go on the internet and *****.
For older guys that are planning on staying at a regional, maybe envoy isn't the best place to be, that's a decision they're going to have to make. But for someone that is 25 years old, they have 40 years of an airline pilot career ahead of them, maybe more because who knows what healthcare is going to look like in 40 years? Maybe they raise the mandatory retirement age. But the point is that if you're young, playing the long game is better. Getting to an AAG wholly owned and if you so choose, taking yourself out of the pool of tens of thousands of regional and military pilots competing for coveted major jobs in favor of flowing to a legacy carrier is the obvious choice. Who cares what the first six years look like if you hit career jackpot for the next 34?

TrinityDawn

We know how good we USED to have it. If crappy schedules of 4 on, 2 off, 11 day off lines are all you've ever known, you assume that's "normal." It's not.