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Old 02-24-2017, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by V1 ROT8 View Post
Completely untrue... I've always called in sick when unfit to fly and have yet to hear a peep from anyone.

Fatigue calls definitely leave a lot to be desired, more so from a contractual standpoint than a safety standpoint. I won't go into details on a public forum, but I'll agree with you there. I will say though that I have never felt pressured to fly fatigued.

The type of response you receive when calling in sick or fatigued depends a lot on your personal attitude/demeanor when talking with scheduling or the Chief Pilot's office. Just something to think about

And for the record, I am certainly no company cheerleader. The schedules and QOL are unquestionably as bad as ever I've seen them here.
It is not untrue. Try calling in sick 4 times in 12 months, even with doctor's notes. Company policy is disciplinary at that point. Some crazy arbitrator ruled they can do it.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader View Post
For those of you just finishing up training on the 145, the IOE schedulers told me today to expect 5-6 weeks before we'll be called.


Does anyone have a good number between type rides and IOE for the CRJ ORD?
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Old 02-24-2017, 08:32 PM
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Looking for opinions.

Both should be a one leg commute out of training. Mostly looking for quality of life. I can't see doing this for more than two to four years. If I can't make it to a major by then, I will need to go back to doing something I can make more money at.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rondonq1 View Post
envoy is truly the most horrible place to work. You have guaranteed sick time and try to do the right thing as you are not fit to fly. You are on the list and get Step One.

The company will bring you in to recurrent ground school and tell you about the fatigue rules and how it is responsibility of pilot to recognized fatigued and call. Then you get missed assignment.
There is ALWAYS more to the story.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary View Post
It is not untrue. Try calling in sick 4 times in 12 months, even with doctor's notes. Company policy is disciplinary at that point. Some crazy arbitrator ruled they can do it.
And there are some with 4 that don't even get talked to at all. It's the big picture, not just 4 sick calls.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:34 PM
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Is that fair? Does it show favoritism?
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Old 02-24-2017, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot View Post
Is that fair? Does it show favoritism?
No, just don't be an outspoken asshat. Myself and plenty other have sick calls and never been questioned.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:22 PM
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No, just don't be an outspoken asshat. Myself and plenty other have sick calls and never been questioned.
Like the union rep that got canned.
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Old 02-24-2017, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by injun21 View Post
Does anyone have a good number between type rides and IOE for the CRJ ORD?
I have many great people at this airline. I haven't met a pilot yet that does this for the money.
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Old 02-25-2017, 06:53 AM
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I have many great people at this airline. I haven't met a pilot yet that does this for the money.
There's basically no one on property making less than 50k these days. And the vast majority are above 60k if you include per diem (yes, I know we can debate if per diem is income -- but it certainly helps out the paycheck).

We don't do it to get rich, I agree. But the money is well above the median salary in the US. And it doesn't even require a degree. Advanced training? Of course. I hope wages keep going up- supply and demand means they likely will. But we aren't exactly poor nowadays. So I'd argue there are MANY folks who do it "for the money," as it provides a middle class standard of living. I didn't come to the airlines till wages trended higher -- and if they went back down, off I'd go. So I do it for the money AND the awesome flying.
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