Pedro4President

Normally it's 9-10 months before your hire date. I was hired in July and my probation ride was may.

Pntbllr233

Check your HI10. I was hired in October, typed in January, and did recurrent in August. The quals report on CCI isn't accurate for your first recurrent. Scheduling will try to ballpark it around the 9-10 month range, but with sims backed up now it's going to vary. The guy senior to me is just now going through recurrent.

RawHide

So the issue is your probation ends on the 1 year anniversary of your hire date. The company generally wants to give a probation ride about 9-10 months from hire date. But if training is backed up they might skip it either way probation ends at the 1 year mark.

Sheg0theD

Also the union caved if 15G4 is used.. this one time the union waived the new hire training freeze. I am one of the guys affected and the union gave the company a pass on unlocking everyone else, if they force us to upgrade on a different airframe than we were hired on.

Also if we get forced to upgrade and displaced out of our original award, the only way the company gives us displacement pay, travel, and hotels is if we are displaced to the 175 ORD...

If I get forced to upgrade in OrD on the CRJ for example, I only get three move days and nothing else.

Kinda sour way to introduce new hires to a company.


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Subpilot

Please explain?

Sheg0theD

Explain what?

So if you get displaced as a new hire per the contract there is a 12 month training freeze on the equipment. I can remember exactly what page in the contract. There is a Waiver in the contract that says... the company may waive a training freeze, but if they do, the have to unlock everyone senior to you.. ( there is a few guys on this forum that think I am reading this wrong, but our contract guy at the union explain this all to me. I made multiple calls the last few days to our reps and asked for some clarification. From our union guy.. “alpa has waived that waiver for this one time... if they did not waive the waiver this time, the company was going to take a away a few things they granted for this bid”.

Also for then 15G4 which isn’t being called a displacement, but it is... (if I am being forced to upgrade to CA not at my discretion, that is a displacement in my book) we are not receiving 9 month of A12 travel and extra per diem and hires. The only way you are going to receive those displacement perks is if you are displaced to ORD on the 175.

The above is exactly how Mr.Ginn explained it to me.

If you want anymore info, PM me and I can explain into further detail.


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Subpilot

You are mixing up parts of the contract. I’ve been here 11 years and have a pretty good grasp of the contract.
- The 12 month training freeze for new hires is for vacancy bidding (not for being displaced).
- If you are displaced out of your current base, you get all the displacement benefits. The aircraft you displace into is irrelevant.
- Displaced pilots do not incrue a training freeze.

Sheg0theD

I understand what you are saying, but if that is the case why is the contract compliance guy for ALPA telling me “ALPa waived that for this one bid.


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Subpilot

I believed they waived the training freeze so that you have the option to bid for captain, if desired. Has no relevance on being displaced. The company and union both would rather have pilots bidding for captain vs being displaced to captain.

Sheg0theD

Ok I understand now, they explained it differently to me, but that makes sense. Talking to them was difficult to say the least, they were very vague and didn’t want to answer the questions I had.


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