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Old 01-29-2017, 09:00 PM
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Slacks are way more comfortable anyways(unless you wear Jim harbaugh style). Jeans are the bottom option in my opinion.
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Old 01-30-2017, 03:56 AM
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Some very interesting informations and opinions that have been posted to another forum below about the flow. Should be read and discussed.

There are absolutely no guarantees in life and the flow to AA falls into that category. Any aspect of any contract has pathways for delay, avoidance or outright nullification. The past repeatedly proves that. An award by an arbitrator is more difficult (and expensive) to circumvent, whereas a simple contractual provision is much easier (your LTFO situation being a prime example). I think as long as Envoy can flow pilots, they will, but at minimum rate so as not to squander what they know to be a shaky and unpredictable resource, especially looking forward into the future. If however, they run into a roadblock in their ability to fulfill their allotted mission or worse yet, Envoy's very existence is threatened, a more aggressive stance on the flow would be taken in the negative. Envoy will not flow itself out of existence. Should more dire unforeseen circumstances occur (or should that situation simply be claimed), Force Majeure would be the Alamo for them regarding the flow to AA even though the byproduct of that would just mean higher outside attrition, although that still would likely be less then what a flow would produce.

At some point in the relatively near future, I think that very situation will be at hand as the Envoy new-hire cow barn is successful only because their pail is being tilted to get milk from other nearby udders as well as the street-hire cow they are sitting under. IMO, the nearby cows being siphoned will soon flop over and Elsie's lone udder directly above will be insufficient for them no matter how fast and hard her teats are squeezed. That's when ALPA will be given two options, being bad and worse and of course, they will deal and take the best of the two unpleasant options. What that is, remains to be seen. Some want to convince others the Envoy cow barn is filled with bottomless (actually topless) udders and will remain awash with milk in perpetuity, but that is nothing more then desperately wishful thinking.
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Old 01-30-2017, 04:08 AM
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You had me until the cows. Then it just got stupid...
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Old 01-30-2017, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rondonq1 View Post
Some very interesting informations and opinions that have been posted to another forum below about the flow. Should be read and discussed.

There are absolutely no guarantees in life and the flow to AA falls into that category. Any aspect of any contract has pathways for delay, avoidance or outright nullification. The past repeatedly proves that. An award by an arbitrator is more difficult (and expensive) to circumvent, whereas a simple contractual provision is much easier (your LTFO situation being a prime example). I think as long as Envoy can flow pilots, they will, but at minimum rate so as not to squander what they know to be a shaky and unpredictable resource, especially looking forward into the future. If however, they run into a roadblock in their ability to fulfill their allotted mission or worse yet, Envoy's very existence is threatened, a more aggressive stance on the flow would be taken in the negative. Envoy will not flow itself out of existence. Should more dire unforeseen circumstances occur (or should that situation simply be claimed), Force Majeure would be the Alamo for them regarding the flow to AA even though the byproduct of that would just mean higher outside attrition, although that still would likely be less then what a flow would produce.

At some point in the relatively near future, I think that very situation will be at hand as the Envoy new-hire cow barn is successful only because their pail is being tilted to get milk from other nearby udders as well as the street-hire cow they are sitting under. IMO, the nearby cows being siphoned will soon flop over and Elsie's lone udder directly above will be insufficient for them no matter how fast and hard her teats are squeezed. That's when ALPA will be given two options, being bad and worse and of course, they will deal and take the best of the two unpleasant options. What that is, remains to be seen. Some want to convince others the Envoy cow barn is filled with bottomless (actually topless) udders and will remain awash with milk in perpetuity, but that is nothing more then desperately wishful thinking.
All of you guys here that have been actively seeking information and posting over the past few weeks, please, ignore this guy. He's a known axe grinder and makes up lies and constantly posts untruths about Envoy.

Keep the conversation flowing. You guys are doing great.
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Old 01-30-2017, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by cr700 View Post
All of you guys here that have been actively seeking information and posting over the past few weeks, please, ignore this guy. He's a known axe grinder and makes up lies and constantly posts untruths about Envoy.

Keep the conversation flowing. You guys are doing great.
This sounds very Trump-ish.

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Old 01-30-2017, 05:00 AM
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6 months ago I could have sworn e175 driver was management like cr700
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Old 01-30-2017, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by cr700 View Post
All of you guys here that have been actively seeking information and posting over the past few weeks, please, ignore this guy. He's a known axe grinder and makes up lies and constantly posts untruths about Envoy.

Keep the conversation flowing. You guys are doing great.
Oh come on you got to give him credit his first few sentences were absolutely facts. Contracts can and have been violated. There is no getting around this fact.

And to his credit he did preface his statement with "I think...." when he stopped using facts and started using Force Majuers and something about a cow.

But I agree let's move on this topic has been thoroughly discussed.
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Old 01-30-2017, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cr700 View Post
All of you guys here that have been actively seeking information and posting over the past few weeks, please, ignore this guy. He's a known axe grinder and makes up lies and constantly posts untruths about Envoy.

Keep the conversation flowing. You guys are doing great.
Yeah guys let's keep the conversation on pants. We don't want to consider anything unpleasant.
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Old 01-30-2017, 05:55 AM
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Eaglefly? Where you been buddy?
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver View Post
Easy info from anyone in the Union. They are afraid to make it public since rocking the boat isn't in their favor.
LOL. It's not being suppressed. They put attrition numbers on every fast read that gets sent out.
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