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01-30-2017, 08:41 AM
#581
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Originally Posted by yeahbutstill
Why is that
01-30-2017, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
Seems like the 175 wave is about to slow down as deliveries wind down next few months. If you get the 175 next few months you will be at the bottom of the seniority of the fleet for a while. With the upcoming flows it makes sense that the ERJ will have faster movement even in DFW.
4-8 months ago I would of said the 175 but now it's the 145.
01-30-2017, 09:49 AM
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^^^What these guys say. There are only a few more months of hiring into the 175. I've been told that the last new hire class will go into it by early summer. Anyone going into it over the next few months will be stuck on the bottom of the list for quite some time. 145 is where I'd choose to go into at this point.
01-30-2017, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
^^^What these guys say. There are only a few more months of hiring into the 175. I've been told that the last new hire class will go into it by early summer. Anyone going into it over the next few months will be stuck on the bottom of the list for quite some time. 145 is where I'd choose to go into at this point.
Will envoy be hiring? Yes
Will some new hires receive the e-jet? Yes
Will there be guaranteed e-jet spots in every class? No, there never have been.
Will the pace of people coming in below you on the e-jet be slower? Yes.
01-30-2017, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr
Nonsense. "Stuck" is a relative term.
Will envoy be hiring? Yes
Will some new hires receive the e-jet? Yes
Will there be guaranteed e-jet spots in every class? No, there never have been.
Will the pace of people coming in below you on the e-jet be slower? Yes.
Will envoy be hiring? Yes
Will some new hires receive the e-jet? Yes
Will there be guaranteed e-jet spots in every class? No, there never have been.
Will the pace of people coming in below you on the e-jet be slower? Yes.
01-30-2017, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr
Nonsense. "Stuck" is a relative term.
Will envoy be hiring? Yes
Will some new hires receive the e-jet? Yes
Will there be guaranteed e-jet spots in every class? No, there never have been.
Will the pace of people coming in below you on the e-jet be slower? Yes.
Will envoy be hiring? Yes
Will some new hires receive the e-jet? Yes
Will there be guaranteed e-jet spots in every class? No, there never have been.
Will the pace of people coming in below you on the e-jet be slower? Yes.
Someone hired into the 145 will have a better relative seniority than the 175. That's all anyone is saying. Don't get your panties in a wad.
01-30-2017, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rondonq1
Some very interesting informations and opinions that have been posted to another forum below about the flow. Should be read and discussed.
There are absolutely no guarantees in life and the flow to AA falls into that category. Any aspect of any contract has pathways for delay, avoidance or outright nullification. The past repeatedly proves that. An award by an arbitrator is more difficult (and expensive) to circumvent, whereas a simple contractual provision is much easier (your LTFO situation being a prime example). I think as long as Envoy can flow pilots, they will, but at minimum rate so as not to squander what they know to be a shaky and unpredictable resource, especially looking forward into the future. If however, they run into a roadblock in their ability to fulfill their allotted mission or worse yet, Envoy's very existence is threatened, a more aggressive stance on the flow would be taken in the negative. Envoy will not flow itself out of existence. Should more dire unforeseen circumstances occur (or should that situation simply be claimed), Force Majeure would be the Alamo for them regarding the flow to AA even though the byproduct of that would just mean higher outside attrition, although that still would likely be less then what a flow would produce.
At some point in the relatively near future, I think that very situation will be at hand as the Envoy new-hire cow barn is successful only because their pail is being tilted to get milk from other nearby udders as well as the street-hire cow they are sitting under. IMO, the nearby cows being siphoned will soon flop over and Elsie's lone udder directly above will be insufficient for them no matter how fast and hard her teats are squeezed. That's when ALPA will be given two options, being bad and worse and of course, they will deal and take the best of the two unpleasant options. What that is, remains to be seen. Some want to convince others the Envoy cow barn is filled with bottomless (actually topless) udders and will remain awash with milk in perpetuity, but that is nothing more then desperately wishful thinking.
There are absolutely no guarantees in life and the flow to AA falls into that category. Any aspect of any contract has pathways for delay, avoidance or outright nullification. The past repeatedly proves that. An award by an arbitrator is more difficult (and expensive) to circumvent, whereas a simple contractual provision is much easier (your LTFO situation being a prime example). I think as long as Envoy can flow pilots, they will, but at minimum rate so as not to squander what they know to be a shaky and unpredictable resource, especially looking forward into the future. If however, they run into a roadblock in their ability to fulfill their allotted mission or worse yet, Envoy's very existence is threatened, a more aggressive stance on the flow would be taken in the negative. Envoy will not flow itself out of existence. Should more dire unforeseen circumstances occur (or should that situation simply be claimed), Force Majeure would be the Alamo for them regarding the flow to AA even though the byproduct of that would just mean higher outside attrition, although that still would likely be less then what a flow would produce.
At some point in the relatively near future, I think that very situation will be at hand as the Envoy new-hire cow barn is successful only because their pail is being tilted to get milk from other nearby udders as well as the street-hire cow they are sitting under. IMO, the nearby cows being siphoned will soon flop over and Elsie's lone udder directly above will be insufficient for them no matter how fast and hard her teats are squeezed. That's when ALPA will be given two options, being bad and worse and of course, they will deal and take the best of the two unpleasant options. What that is, remains to be seen. Some want to convince others the Envoy cow barn is filled with bottomless (actually topless) udders and will remain awash with milk in perpetuity, but that is nothing more then desperately wishful thinking.
01-30-2017, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by styx
You quoted yourself from another forum. Did you get your 914+6 running?
And it's the same dooms day today as years ago.
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