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Old 04-02-2018, 11:21 AM   #11  
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Not sure where you're hearing that, each aircraft has been online in the required time, and 9E is overstaffed for the additional flying right now, they planned for this well out. Biggest issue has been the multitude of bugs to be worked out in each tail coming over.
Then why were we asked by DAL to take on a bunch of flying in March that couldnít be covered if E9 was well positioned?
And why is DAL paying out CRJ pilots bonuses to stay on until the end of the contract if E9 is well positioned to take the flying and overstaffed? Iím sure itís because they have a soft spot for us and feel bad about what they did. 🙄
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Then why were we asked by DAL to take on a bunch of flying in March that couldnít be covered if E9 was well positioned?
And why is DAL paying out CRJ pilots bonuses to stay on until the end of the contract if E9 is well positioned to take the flying and overstaffed? Iím sure itís because they have a soft spot for us and feel bad about what they did. 🙄
1. Not a clue, but every single jet scheduled has been on the line within days of required time, and endeavor has slowed down hiring due to staffing. March specifically? Tremendous number of IROPs in NYC, but looking over the 9E numbers, nothing at least on the two class side has been affected by staffing. Delta is fine with 9E, and looking to add more to their fleet.

2. Because 9E isn't taking over the 700s, and until Skywest gets their 175SCs operational and in NYC, somebody needs to stay flying to the end of the year. Those tails have to stay flying until Skywest has their equivalent 70 seaters delivered and NYC up and running- that isn't a 9E fault.
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Then why were we asked by DAL to take on a bunch of flying in March that couldnít be covered if E9 was well positioned?
And why is DAL paying out CRJ pilots bonuses to stay on until the end of the contract if E9 is well positioned to take the flying and overstaffed? Iím sure itís because they have a soft spot for us and feel bad about what they did. 🙄
Since E9 isnít an airline for DCI, Iím not sure how your covering their flying. But if you want to think that to feel better about your corporate minders in SGU bending you over, thatís fine.
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1. Not a clue, but every single jet scheduled has been on the line within days of required time, and endeavor has slowed down hiring due to staffing. March specifically? Tremendous number of IROPs in NYC, but looking over the 9E numbers, nothing at least on the two class side has been affected by staffing. Delta is fine with 9E, and looking to add more to their fleet.

2. Because 9E isn't taking over the 700s, and until Skywest gets their 175SCs operational and in NYC, somebody needs to stay flying to the end of the year. Those tails have to stay flying until Skywest has their equivalent 70 seaters delivered and NYC up and running- that isn't a 9E fault.
1. I didnít say DAL is not fine with 9E. I see GoJet aircraft as the next ones to be transferred to 9E.
The March flying was picked up BEFORE the IROP. DAL asked us to pick up the flying in March well before- far enough out that we bid for it. Our bottom windows for March DAL flying was over 95 hours. Iíve never seen it that high.
I imagine the issue is the same issue Envoy is running into- not enough captains.
2. Then why does the 9E website show them taking over some of the -700ís? Is the website incorrect?
The issue with SkyWest manning things was part of my point. I think Inc assumed some of our pilots would leave and go over to their side. The vast majority went to Endeavor, Envoy and ULCCís.
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1. I didn’t say DAL is not fine with 9E. I see GoJet aircraft as the next ones to be transferred to 9E.
The March flying was picked up BEFORE the IROP. DAL asked us to pick up the flying in March well before- far enough out that we bid for it. Our bottom windows for March DAL flying was over 95 hours. I’ve never seen it that high.
I imagine the issue is the same issue Envoy is running into- not enough captains.
2. Then why does the 9E website show them taking over some of the -700’s? Is the website incorrect?
The issue with SkyWest manning things was part of my point. I think Inc assumed some of our pilots would leave and go over to their side. The vast majority went to Endeavor, Envoy and ULCC’s.
1. Understand now. Yes EDV needs captains but not to the point of cancelling. Not sure what's happening behind the scenes there.

2. Technically 3 700s from ASA (I more referred to the brunt of the 700s, the EV tailed Delta doesn't own), but the other 20 something are totally leaving DCI, and those are the ones hanging on until Skywest gets 175SCs running. EDV has 2/3 700s running already. My guess is OO won't have NYC 175 running exactly on time, so DAL needs ASA flying those 700s until the last day. And yes I agree about staffing. I've yet to meet an ASA guy going to OO, but we've had many welcomed here.

I'm no fan of what's going on, and would rather keep ASA around and have another ALPA DCI carrier. I'd never step foot in OO seeing what they've done. They gladly took 9E planes during bankruptcy
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1. Understand now. Yes EDV needs captains but not to the point of cancelling. Not sure what's happening behind the scenes there.

2. Technically 3 700s from ASA (I more referred to the brunt of the 700s, the EV tailed Delta doesn't own), but the other 20 something are totally leaving DCI, and those are the ones hanging on until Skywest gets 175SCs running. EDV has 2/3 700s running already. My guess is OO won't have NYC 175 running exactly on time, so DAL needs ASA flying those 700s until the last day. And yes I agree about staffing. I've yet to meet an ASA guy going to OO, but we've had many welcomed here.

I'm no fan of what's going on, and would rather keep ASA around and have another ALPA DCI carrier. I'd never step foot in OO seeing what they've done. They gladly took 9E planes during bankruptcy
We are leaving LGA end of May. Initially it was supposed to stay open until the fall. But attrition has been so high (we are down to about 450 pilots), that this changed. All hands will be trying to keep ATL staffed until the end, but not sure if that will work while also fulfilling the AAL contract in DFW. There are even rumors about our $20k DAL bonus increasing.
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Biggest issue has been the multitude of bugs to be worked out in each tail coming over.
LOL. No surprise
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LOL. No surprise
I have never seen a transfer of aircraft, military or civilian, where that has not been the case.
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Its not a bad place, there is just absolutely no future here. Skywest will continue to bleed us dry until we shut the doors because they've just become a cannibal over the last 5+ years. Both airlines were bought so they could grow at our expense. Our mgmt continues to pump false hope and the tow the line from st. George. When we transferred the 200s out it was to focus on profitable 700 flying. When we cancelled the Delta 700 contract it was to take on profitable e145 flying. Next tower to tumble will be DFW to Skywest because we can't staff the crj (and ill be shocked btw) and the United 145s will be done within 2-3 years at best. Don't come here, go somewhere that has a future and REAL career advancement.
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Its not a bad place, there is just absolutely no future here. Skywest will continue to bleed us dry until we shut the doors because they've just become a cannibal over the last 5+ years. Both airlines were bought so they could grow at our expense. Our mgmt continues to pump false hope and the tow the line from st. George. When we transferred the 200s out it was to focus on profitable 700 flying. When we cancelled the Delta 700 contract it was to take on profitable e145 flying. Next tower to tumble will be DFW to Skywest because we can't staff the crj (and ill be shocked btw) and the United 145s will be done within 2-3 years at best. Don't come here, go somewhere that has a future and REAL career advancement.
I don't necessarily disagree, but I think the landscape is different than it was in 2012 when Comair was shut down and the suits are finally waking up to this. I think CC and company are realizing they just handed their competition about 1000 trained pilots who are getting tough to replace, even if they aren't your fair haired favorites.

For a new hire, if they live close to one of the XJT bases I don't think they have anything to lose by coming here, get the training and give it 6-12 months. But I would encourage them not to get comfortable. If there still isn't a tangible long term future here outside of the 145's punch out and make a lateral move. Like I said, I view it as making a gamble with some extra money on a penny stock. You haven't invested your life savings as some of us were foolish enough to do so if things don't pan out you move on after a year. If things do turn around then you hit a home run.
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