What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
12-12-2012, 03:36 PM
#1831
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You guys are killin' me!
12-12-2012, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Red97Vette
Lol. Bitter? Just keep fighting for that 20% pay raise, make sure you are dug in real good. Let us know how it goes.
12-12-2012, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by unit monster
Directly from the ASA MEC Chairman today, the only section legacy ASA and XJT differ on is scheduling. I hope your a troll and not actually as big of a douche as you portray yourself, unfortunately I think it's the latter.
12-12-2012, 04:45 PM
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It really blows me away to hear L-ASA guys trashing the L-XJT side on things they know NOTHING about. Someone starts a little rumor and Shizam! It suddenly turns into the dirty truth about the L-XJT pilots.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
12-12-2012, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
It really blows me away to hear L-ASA guys trashing the L-XJT side on things they know NOTHING about. Someone starts a little rumor and Shizam! It suddenly turns into the dirty truth about the L-XJT pilots.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
Either there are some extremely gullible people here or there are people pushing their own malicious agenda.
12-12-2012, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
It really blows me away to hear L-ASA guys trashing the L-XJT side on things they know NOTHING about. Someone starts a little rumor and Shizam! It suddenly turns into the dirty truth about the L-XJT pilots.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
I'd really like to hear from all of these people that have formally put their foot down on a huge pay raise as part of a joint contract. Seriously people before you get all worked up and start your hating (which by the way helps nothing at all with negotiating progress) think a little. Just take a little breather and step away from the drama you are trying so hard to create.
12-12-2012, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Red97Vette
Lol. Bitter? Just keep fighting for that 20% pay raise, make sure you are dug in real good. Let us know how it goes.
We're ready to burn this place to the ground if we don't get it. Yes, we know SGU(I use SGU in reference to Skywest, Inc. headquarters because I'm so awesome and cool) we know they don't mess around, but we're prepared to fight.
Informational picketing starts tomorrow outside the A tech center in ATL. Will our L-ASA brothers stand with us?
12-13-2012, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BelowMins
20%???? No way. Try 100% and full retro. And I'm talking retro from back in my flight instructing days when I had crap pay then. By my calculations L-ASA and Skywest owe each L-XJT pilot over $100,000,000.
We're ready to burn this place to the ground if we don't get it. Yes, we know SGU(I use SGU in reference to Skywest, Inc. headquarters because I'm so awesome and cool) we know they don't mess around, but we're prepared to fight.
Informational picketing starts tomorrow outside the A tech center in ATL. Will our L-ASA brothers stand with us?
We're ready to burn this place to the ground if we don't get it. Yes, we know SGU(I use SGU in reference to Skywest, Inc. headquarters because I'm so awesome and cool) we know they don't mess around, but we're prepared to fight.
Informational picketing starts tomorrow outside the A tech center in ATL. Will our L-ASA brothers stand with us?
12-26-2012, 09:35 AM
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Merry Christmas to all. Oh yea, any good rumors at xjet?
12-27-2012, 01:02 PM
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I had forgotten about this thread. Thanks for bumping it up. 
Where is this new CPA?
I do hear the company is frustrated at the stonewalling.
Our contract was not driving us bankrupt. That was Skywest's doing. They broke it, they bought it.
I think that the point was that the work rules we would need in order for the LXJT side not to take a concession would be of a magnitude that management would not go for. After all, they are asking to take away vacation low. That alone would be the biggest concession!
I think its conceivable that you guys can move to smartpref IF there were the right work rules associated with it. Why is that not rational?
As for reserve rules, yes, touch up some of ours and put that in the new contract. But along with other touch ups in other sections of the contract.
This is not true. I've read all the 10qs and they've been doing it for at least the last few.
BR said this merger would produce about $70 million a year in savings. We don't need to be the cheapest labor group for this operation to make money.
Any improvement in the LXJT compensation and work rules, may seem like asking to price ourselves out to others. Maybe that's the perception problem?
My understanding is that this was turned down.
Why would that be? We all fly regional jets. There are no turboprops or widebodies.
As for transfers, maybe its because the company had to be reminded of what our contract says? Seems to be a regular occurrence to point out blatant violations to management. But yeah, your MO is always to take it out of context to satisfy your need.
I think our pilots, in general, want the line bidding and work rules we currently have. The MEC and management knows this. The MECs compromise will be Smartpref. This is not rocket science here. Now, which side is more reasonable?
The system will only be require to hand BES. So it won't ever get to 800 lines. But my understanding is that it can be expanded with more servers in order to accommodate whatever size bid and speed of resolution we want.
Actually, didn't you say that Mcpickle has been working on smartpref for over a year? My understanding is that there has been no serious consideration of smartpref from your side. They haven't even run a solution using actual trips whereas our side has with flight line.
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
The CPA you speak of between SkyWest Inc (dba "ExpressJet") and UAL, Inc has already been rewritten. It will be rolled out to coincide with the ratification of the UAL PWA, which will grossly reduce the number of 50 seat airplanes feeding the UAL system.
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
That's not what I heard at the ALPA meeting in ATL last week. Yes, I was actually there. According to what I heard while at the meeting, the LASA MEC is trying to negotiate reasonably and fairly for the majority of the pilot group.
Originally Posted by DontRelaxScope
Reference Bozo's last post quoting your rep.
Also, even if the ERJ reps did tell you everything they knew its not like St. George is going to tell them "hey play nice or else". They will just do it if you continue to think you can be paid like mainline while being a contract carrier competing against others like Mesa and GoJets. I want the best contract in the regional industry that will allow my company to operate indefinitely, I don't want yours that was driving you guys to bankruptcy.
Also, even if the ERJ reps did tell you everything they knew its not like St. George is going to tell them "hey play nice or else". They will just do it if you continue to think you can be paid like mainline while being a contract carrier competing against others like Mesa and GoJets. I want the best contract in the regional industry that will allow my company to operate indefinitely, I don't want yours that was driving you guys to bankruptcy.
Originally Posted by ja2c
xjtguy.. PBS is as good as the work rules. That's it. We both have some things better than the others. If we could get all the good, roll with PBS, it would not be a concession for you guys then.
It does not matter what system you use. It's all in the work rules.
It does not matter what system you use. It's all in the work rules.
Originally Posted by Trip7
Let's be rational here. There is ZERO chance we all move to your line bidding system and there is ZERO chance the ASA pilots go for SmartPref.
The best chance to get this deal done quickly is stick with the ASA PBS system, touch up on the reserve rules, and move on. Having more lines for your junior pilots and less time racing your fellow pilots to the computer is a much better alternative than the hammer
The best chance to get this deal done quickly is stick with the ASA PBS system, touch up on the reserve rules, and move on. Having more lines for your junior pilots and less time racing your fellow pilots to the computer is a much better alternative than the hammer
As for reserve rules, yes, touch up some of ours and put that in the new contract. But along with other touch ups in other sections of the contract.
Originally Posted by MoarAlpha
You have to admit it wouldn't be very far fetched for a management guy to say this side or that side is losing money and we need to take a pay cut.
As I'm sure you know they report earnings for Inc., not SKYW/LASA/LXJT separately. That may be to their advantage.
As I'm sure you know they report earnings for Inc., not SKYW/LASA/LXJT separately. That may be to their advantage.
Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
You're missing the point between wanting more and being selfish. I've already stated I'm not for concessions. As for what you guys want, voiced here on this forums only, would be foolish. Contract workers is all we are, a set price determined by the negotiations of our management. Price yourself out of the game and you'll no longer play. It's a simple equation really, which is being undermined by younger, newly established players, ie. GoJetzzz. I'm not here to stay, I'm sure you're not either, why price yourself out before you get the chance to leave. Modest pay raise, a little better work rules, I'm happy to sign and be out the door.
Any improvement in the LXJT compensation and work rules, may seem like asking to price ourselves out to others. Maybe that's the perception problem?
Originally Posted by squaretail
If we're stuck on PBS, then agree to a transition process timeline that resolves the bidding system or agree to go to a 3-way binding arbitration with the company as the third party on the issue of bidding only.
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Based on PCL/Mesaba/Colgan seniority integration award formula, the senior most XJT pilot would be placed about 380 on the list with relative after that.
Company asked XJT MEC to transfer XJT pilots to ASA side and/or voluntary furloughs...XJT MEC said no to both requests...
Company asked XJT MEC to transfer XJT pilots to ASA side and/or voluntary furloughs...XJT MEC said no to both requests...
As for transfers, maybe its because the company had to be reminded of what our contract says? Seems to be a regular occurrence to point out blatant violations to management. But yeah, your MO is always to take it out of context to satisfy your need.
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
That is the most asinine thing I've heard yet.
Your side pushing SmartPref or nothing isn't meeting in the middle! That was your opening position when McK started pushing it a year ago! The facts, truth, whatever you want to call it is that SmartPref is not a viable system for primary bidding. It can barely even handle your secondary bidding! Yet your side refuses to move off this position of "SmartPref or current line bidding". It's being used as a poison pill. That's not compromising anything. And if we ask SKW which side is more reasonable, we all know what the answer is.
Your side pushing SmartPref or nothing isn't meeting in the middle! That was your opening position when McK started pushing it a year ago! The facts, truth, whatever you want to call it is that SmartPref is not a viable system for primary bidding. It can barely even handle your secondary bidding! Yet your side refuses to move off this position of "SmartPref or current line bidding". It's being used as a poison pill. That's not compromising anything. And if we ask SKW which side is more reasonable, we all know what the answer is.
Originally Posted by 3stripes
I have done just that. Twice. I was impressed by its capabilities, but so far it hasn't actually worked in a real world scenario. We can't get the system to work with our training schedules. That doesn't bode well for the future. It's an unproven system and as of now it still hasn't been tested with a full bid of 800+ lines plus reserve.
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Serious question: Who on your side is telling you we told your side to pound sand? Please name names. You can PM me if you wish. Because we HAVE spent the last year trying to sell Flightline to your side, and it has fallen on deaf ears.
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