BLAH, BLAH, FREAKIN BLAHHHHHHH.... In other news, F ASA/XJET/SureJet/AtlanticSoutheast/SKYW inc.... Just sent out app number 23/24 since 1/1/2012... can't wait to get out... If I'm here when this whole thing works out I hope we can all take a deep breath... Maybe drink a beer as we watch the regionals dissapear... Seriously guys, regionals as we know it wont be arount in 10 years. Don't get your panties in a bunch over what might happen or who has a better system, or 5 percent vs 7... No point, regionals will die anyways. The bigger rj rfp's are for trades for smaller rj's and shrinkage.

Everyone needs to think bigger picture. One list. ASA/XJT/SKYW. It's the only way this whole game works out in the end. It's the only way to force JA's hand.

In other news stop infighting.... Also, drink sweetwater... great stuff!!!

 

Finally someone gets it! You know you have a successful negotiation when both sides are a little unhappy. LXJT pilots will not be very happy about losing line bidding, LASA pilots will not be happy about losing flightline....bingo, thats a negotiation! Instead of both sides being mad about what they lost, lets ban together and get the best work rules we possibly can for whatever neutral system we can agree on!

 

Wrong. Neither SM or the XJT MEC have ever said that they wouldn't give up line bidding. They said they would keep an open mind on the issue IF the right PBS system was found and IF the right work rules were in place.

 

This is the classic irrelevant conclusion fallacy. You said that the ASA MEC will be required to be in these negotiations. I said that I don't believe so. Then you mention something from left field? Ok, whatever you say.


You are getting the MEC mixed up with the pilots who post on these forums. All along your guys have never been interested in compromise. They have been negotiating in bad faith. Management is now punishing you guys AGAIN! Remember? You kept telling us how you've seen this before and soon enough we outdo find out that we shouldn't mess with Jerry? All along its been your guys making the same mistakes they made in the last contract negotiations. This is ALL your guys' doing. You made your bed so now sleep in it.

 

Correct, last time we made a militant stance 17 900s to we're supposed to go to ASA headed to SKYW. Some say the 900s were going to go anyway but I don't buy that. I'd let management fool me at least once before becoming militant.

The more I hear L-XJT's story the more they make sense to me. The entire L-ASA employee group is probably being misled by this nasty rumor that Jerry is going to drop the hammer on XJT. Even I fell for it. We need to drop this arrogant "we bought them" "get on board" attitude real quick or it might backfire badly.

I know at least one of our newly elected reps is about compromise. It's time for us L-ASA line pilots to start making some calls to the LEC.

 

Well it seems you are in the minority at ASA but I'm glad you are finally seeing things without the ASA Kool aid goggles. Maybe you should make some (re)calls to the people that are purposely misleading you and your fellow pilots.

 

That sort of statement isn't constructive at all. Recall the current system we use while it will be tweaked some, works and is used by airlines. It is fully implemented and has the overall support of the pilot group. The system being proposed has no customers, no background information and will some awarding issues with the CDO flying (which with the new rules will be more of). I'm not going to question your Sched Chair's commitment. I believe his heart is in the right place but it could be years to get this software right. We know Flightline could be in a JCBA tomorrow.

It isn't about the koolaid, it is about what is a known quantity. Flightline known, SmartPref isn't regardless of how much SM, MK and BM say otherwise.

 

Flightline with an entirely new scheduling section, no vacation low, and all new contract is not a known quantity. Everything will be different and skedplus really looks like a good program. The main thing that ****ed me off about flightline is its need for people on full time trip loss to manipulate the award. Those same people are the ones spreading the misinformation about skedplus and are being left to "evaluate" the program. Huge conflict of interest!

 

The PWG guys are not on full time trip loss. This is blatant lie being spread by your side only to inflame the issue. The guy who did the white paper doesn't even run the Flightline system. Thus the guy wasn't interested in preserving his PWG gig. If Flightline were the system used for the combined pilot group, it would be administered by a COMBINED scheduling committee. Why would anyone want a CRJ guys running ERJ runs and vice versa. Another lie being spread to **** people off. Pointless.

I find incredible that you guys will toss whatever bombs you can to get the emotions spun up. You attack many things on our side that your guys know nothing about but yet they will happily say to paint our guys in a negative light.

Most guys that volunteer for the union work work way more days than they get paid for. To attack them just to make yourself feel better about the process might make a big man on the ERJ side but it looks foolish to everybody else. Regardless of what is said here, hopefully we'll all be under under umbrella and those same guys will be fighting for you.

 

I couldn't care less which system we actually use, but I am very concerned about having a system that ignores seniority through globalization or any other method. I also think it is foolish to support a system that has never actually been used to run our bids. It would also appear to be a waste of money to try and reinvent the wheel by attempting to use a Pref Bid system that has never been used before. I'm not sold on Flightline, but I am currently much less sold on SmartPref, primarily because I can't actually see it in action. If we are going to end up in a battle over Flightline or SmartPref, then the 2 systems are going to have to be programmed to handle our new work rules, we are going to have to learn both systems, we are going to have to bid with both each month, then decide on the system based on the results, not based on somebody's word. Nothing works the way the salesman says it does, so the only meaningful comparison is to bid with both for a few months.