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Old 10-05-2012 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Hurryage65
Ya my email had 16 names on it. I guess we get PIC typed and ATP in initial not bad....

Not if the mins are 1200TT.
Old 10-05-2012 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Hurryage65
I guess we get PIC typed and ATP in initial not bad....
I'd be interested in an update once that is confirmed. In the July 9th and July 23rd classes the new hires earned SIC types, and were told the ATP and PIC type would be earned upon returning to the schoolhouse for the six month check-up.
Old 10-05-2012 | 09:43 AM
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If you are at ATP mins I don't see why they shouldn't put you through the ATP & PIC type curriculum in initial.
Old 10-05-2012 | 09:47 AM
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From the emails I got seems like this whole class has over 1500. And they made me take my written before the first day.
Old 10-05-2012 | 10:04 AM
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I have said this many times over. It is my firm belief that asa/xjt will not be able to find qualified pilots in 2013. The pilots they will need for attrition and rest rules will be so significant that they simply will not find them at the pay scales they have in place. Qualified ATP's will simply not come to the airline for 20K.

My guess is that attrition will increase to 20-30/ a month on the crj side and 40-60/ a month on the erj side. On top of this will be the rest rules that they MUST prepare for in advance. My guess would be an increase of about 10-15% more pilots (of the total group). That would be about 500 on the low side just for rest rules. If you combine that with attrition we may be looking at 1000 pilots or more. The only option will be to shrink the airline. Most likely, the new ual contract will bring back a large percentage of regional flying to UAL in exchange for relief of 70 seat scope. Im sure XJET is planning on this because they will not find pilots.
Old 10-05-2012 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Loudoun
In the July 9th and July 23rd classes the new hires earned SIC types, and were told the ATP and PIC type would be earned upon returning to the schoolhouse for the six month check-up.
What 6 month check? With AQP you go in once a year (as FO). My guess is these guys will probably get it when they go in next year for their AQP around May/June timeframe.
Old 10-05-2012 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo
I have said this many times over. It is my firm belief that asa/xjt will not be able to find qualified pilots in 2013. The pilots they will need for attrition and rest rules will be so significant that they simply will not find them at the pay scales they have in place. Qualified ATP's will simply not come to the airline for 20K.

My guess is that attrition will increase to 20-30/ a month on the crj side and 40-60/ a month on the erj side. On top of this will be the rest rules that they MUST prepare for in advance. My guess would be an increase of about 10-15% more pilots (of the total group). That would be about 500 on the low side just for rest rules. If you combine that with attrition we may be looking at 1000 pilots or more. The only option will be to shrink the airline. Most likely, the new ual contract will bring back a large percentage of regional flying to UAL in exchange for relief of 70 seat scope. Im sure XJET is planning on this because they will not find pilots.

Hope you're right about the future hiring and lack of interested applicants. However I don't think ExpressJet will have that much trouble finding people, seeing as that there are plenty of Comair guys out on the street and looming furloughs at Pinnacle. My guess is that the hiring due to FT/DT rules and retirements at the majors will be somewhat mitigated by scope relaxation at United and a possible merger between US and American*. Not to mention the possibility that the economy might tank again...But, like I said, I hope I'm wrong and you're right!

*This will only be for the next few years, once we get closer to 2015 I think every major will be hiring in droves simply due to retirements.
Old 10-05-2012 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hurryage65
From the emails I got seems like this whole class has over 1500. And they made me take my written before the first day.
I'm only at a little over 1300 tt and I'm in the class.
Old 10-05-2012 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
If you look at the pilot attrition data on the home page you can see a big chunk of the group have been leaving for career changes. In talking to the chief pilots they say that the majority of people leaving are junior F.O.s on reserve. Any hiring is to replenish the tail end of the group. So it's not really healthy productive attrition. No one is leaving or moving in the middle of the list. At least from my standpoint I haven't moved up in years. Still sliding backwards. But that is probably just the ATL CR7.
Because everyone always tells management where they are going... They have no idea what I'm doing... probably put me down as career change as well.

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Old 10-05-2012 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse
Because everyone always tells management where they are going... They have no idea what I'm doing... probably put me down as career change as well.

Wrong.
what are you doing?
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