Originally Posted by IBPilot

you just don't get it.....or they vote no and DL shuts them down and comes to you and says "you're next...take this paycut look what we already did to 2 other airlines...." And you big talkers will vote yes to save your job...

Originally Posted by What

Ha ha, couldn't get out of the out of the first paragraph. Did you mean We're and accept. I am not the best speller but after you lead your sentence by; listen here you smocks, listen to my superb post!

Ok, so you are the largest regional airline in the world, you have slightly over 400 aircraft on property but around 350 of them are of 50 seats or less. That's around 85% of your aircraft being of 50 seats or less as well as over 10 years old. You don't have an advantage over other airlines because you are larger. Pinnacle will be under the Delta umbrella and I am sure Delta can buy toilet paper cheaper that Expressjet because it's bigger, the same for Eagle and AMR. You are the biggest now, but don't expect to stay that way.

Face reality;

Eagle under a BK contract (our future is in the air/no fleet plan) Senior Pilot Group

Pinnacle either will vote the contract or the 1113 will be granted, will fly 76 seaters, and be careful because they might also fly 70 seaters and you know where those will come from. Senior Pilot Group

RAH bankruptcy like contract, bare bone operations and operates mostly 76 seaters. Senior-ish pilot group

GoJet bad contract, bare bone operations and operates 70 seaters. Junior pilot group, with room to grow?

Compass = contract not as bad as Gojet but not as good the SKW holdings regionals. And run by the same guy who owns Gojet/Tran-States, operates all 70/76 seaters. Junior pilot group, with room to grow?

That leaves the SKW regionals with more expensive contracts, over 75% of aircraft are 50 seaters or less, arguably the most senior pilot groups and.....

You say you are to big to fail, I say you are to big (50 seaters) and will fail. I am not sure if you can see the game management plays here, is there money savings out of the whipsaw, yes but this is a game for management. They play monopoly with the regionals. We are a contractor where the next guy is willing to do it cheaper to get the PIC or fly the shinny jet. None of us are exempt from this, stop drinking the cool-aid and open your eyes because after Pinnacle you are next not only form Delta, but United is mighty quite and you have the majority of the airplanes they want to park. I don't care what your contract says because execs will handle what happens not pilots and a trip thru the wash and rinse cycle of BK will take care of that. Mainline will do as it see fits, if you don't comply you will not exist in a few years, you might move on but the managers want a place to work as well as the lifers and the junior guys so the cards are against you. Stop drinking the cool-aid!

Originally Posted by XJT Pilot

Yeah, you got me! I don't think you can read, maybe spell but comprehension is not your strong point. But that being said if they don't want to play ball its fine by me. Close this place down! I could give a rats a$$ anymore. I know I have the time and qualifications to move on anywhere or just do something else. "You know my handcuffs? I picked them long ago" if you get the pun!

Good luck with your sniveling and begging for what you deserve.

Originally Posted by XJT Pilot

Yeah, you got me! I don't think you can read, maybe spell but comprehension is not your strong point. But that being said if they don't want to play ball its fine by me. Close this place down! I could give a rats a$$ anymore. I know I have the time and qualifications to move on anywhere or just do something else. "You know my handcuffs? I picked them long ago" if you get the pun!

Good luck with your sniveling and begging for what you deserve.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT

I don't know about the "chest thumping" towards L-XJT. If I rember right, a lot of L-ASA guys were saying modest pay increase and new reserve rules and we would be content. Wasn't there a few pages on pricing ourselves out of the game?? I don't think we were the ones thumping...

Originally Posted by Nevets

This may have more to do with ASA MEC's flight line or no merger ultimatum and management's counter of dual class RJ rate negotiations with LXJT than with the PNCL vote. Aircraft have to be properly staffed regardless of their vote.

Originally Posted by IBPilot

you just don't get it.....or they vote no and DL shuts them down and comes to you and says "you're next...take this paycut look what we already did to 2 other airlines...." And you big talkers will vote yes to save your job...

Originally Posted by AtlCSIP

Maybe so, but classe have stopped, which is concerning since it is counter to the apparent approach by mgmt prior to Christmas. Like it or not, we all need hiring to continue. In the long run, it doesn't really matter which side.

Originally Posted by Trip7

Skywest also has abruptly cancelled classes January classes and stopped hiring. Doesn't sound too good for Skywest Inc. Maybe the AMR deal falling through rumor was true, because RAH and Eagle continue to hire like crazy