What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
01-02-2013 | 04:48 PM
#1891
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From: EMB 145 CPT
It was the same thread that you called working at ASA the "big leagues" ... remember it now? I probably would have tried to block it mentally too.
Our MEC just put out an email explaining how the ASA MEC has said that any contract without flightline in it will not pass their vote. They have done this despite the two other parties involved explaining that flightline is not a reasonable request. The company would have it but with major sections of the current ASA scheduling section rewritten because it has not come close to its projected cost savings. Vacation low would be gone and the end product is an unknown quantity. Our MEC has researched pbs systems and found one that resolves almost every parties issues and yet because it does not have a flightline name it is not even an option. The ASA MEC has done next to zero research, is sticking their head in the sand hoping to save their current flightline system and workrules (management said no), and is unwilling to negotiate on anything that negatively affects the top 5% of pilots for the betterment of 95% of the combined pilot group.
So who is unwilling to negotiate now? Oh that was just the ASA MEC's trolls on here spouting lies. Keep up the smear campaign
Our MEC just put out an email explaining how the ASA MEC has said that any contract without flightline in it will not pass their vote. They have done this despite the two other parties involved explaining that flightline is not a reasonable request. The company would have it but with major sections of the current ASA scheduling section rewritten because it has not come close to its projected cost savings. Vacation low would be gone and the end product is an unknown quantity. Our MEC has researched pbs systems and found one that resolves almost every parties issues and yet because it does not have a flightline name it is not even an option. The ASA MEC has done next to zero research, is sticking their head in the sand hoping to save their current flightline system and workrules (management said no), and is unwilling to negotiate on anything that negatively affects the top 5% of pilots for the betterment of 95% of the combined pilot group.
So who is unwilling to negotiate now? Oh that was just the ASA MEC's trolls on here spouting lies. Keep up the smear campaign
None of the ASA MEC members post here, so what lies are they spouting? I talk to my reps regularly and don't hear anywhere near the level of vitriol that you present or believe is present. I get frustration, but aren't you just stirring the pot more? The ASA pilot group likes Flightline so why shouldn't our MEC represent our interests?
So, you'll probably miss this and bite on the above paragraphs, but I like the idea of Smart Pref - I would like to see it work. My question is, how is it working out?
01-02-2013 | 04:52 PM
#1892
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They don't post here, but their hired thugs and mouthpieces (Captain Tony and JoeMerchant) do. Might as well be reading the words right out of Mankameyer's mouth when they post.
Good for you! Thank you for keeping an open mind. Reports out of EWR (where the first true test of the system for our Phase 2 bidding took place) are quite positive.
01-02-2013 | 04:55 PM
#1893
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When I say 'ASA Trolls,' I mean Joe Merchant and Captain Tony, not the entire ASA pilot group.
01-02-2013 | 05:33 PM
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Coming from the guy that told ASA applicants not to read the gouge online because it was "cheating." I think you can figure out what he was saying but of course that would require a little common sense. In such a small world you have made yourself look very narrow minded and petty on both our company forum and here.
It was the same thread that you called working at ASA the "big leagues" ... remember it now? I probably would have tried to block it mentally too.
Our MEC just put out an email explaining how the ASA MEC has said that any contract without flightline in it will not pass their vote. They have done this despite the two other parties involved explaining that flightline is not a reasonable request. The company would have it but with major sections of the current ASA scheduling section rewritten because it has not come close to its projected cost savings. Vacation low would be gone and the end product is an unknown quantity. Our MEC has researched pbs systems and found one that resolves almost every parties issues and yet because it does not have a flightline name it is not even an option. The ASA MEC has done next to zero research, is sticking their head in the sand hoping to save their current flightline system and workrules (management said no), and is unwilling to negotiate on anything that negatively affects the top 5% of pilots for the betterment of 95% of the combined pilot group.
So who is unwilling to negotiate now? Oh that was just the ASA MEC's trolls on here spouting lies. Keep up the smear campaign
Our MEC just put out an email explaining how the ASA MEC has said that any contract without flightline in it will not pass their vote. They have done this despite the two other parties involved explaining that flightline is not a reasonable request. The company would have it but with major sections of the current ASA scheduling section rewritten because it has not come close to its projected cost savings. Vacation low would be gone and the end product is an unknown quantity. Our MEC has researched pbs systems and found one that resolves almost every parties issues and yet because it does not have a flightline name it is not even an option. The ASA MEC has done next to zero research, is sticking their head in the sand hoping to save their current flightline system and workrules (management said no), and is unwilling to negotiate on anything that negatively affects the top 5% of pilots for the betterment of 95% of the combined pilot group.
So who is unwilling to negotiate now? Oh that was just the ASA MEC's trolls on here spouting lies. Keep up the smear campaign
Exactly! Many of you will take this the wrong way, and so be it, but if you need to do major studying and "gouges" (whatever that is) to take an airline interview test with questions from the ATP written, then I'm sorry, but you're not ready for prime time!
When you end up in the right seat of a jet, you are not there to learn how to fly, you are there to assist the Captain and learn to be a Captain someday. You should already know how to fly and possess all of the required information. If you use the "gouges" and fake your way through the interview, you will be in for a rude awakening when you get to the line!
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm stating a fact. Captains are happy to help you learn the airline system, but it you don't know the basics we have little patience.
When you end up in the right seat of a jet, you are not there to learn how to fly, you are there to assist the Captain and learn to be a Captain someday. You should already know how to fly and possess all of the required information. If you use the "gouges" and fake your way through the interview, you will be in for a rude awakening when you get to the line!
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm stating a fact. Captains are happy to help you learn the airline system, but it you don't know the basics we have little patience.
01-02-2013 | 06:41 PM
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I want you guys to continue to hold out for everything... Keep up the good fight and pass the popcorn...
01-02-2013 | 06:49 PM
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You either honor seniority or you don't. This is the crux of the debate and one that will never be settled between the two groups. Your current first come first serve free for all open time window would never fly over here. Our initial open time windows has always been done in seniority order....We are two very different cultures that are best served just staying separate...
01-02-2013 | 07:07 PM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
You either honor seniority or you don't. This is the crux of the debate and one that will never be settled between the two groups. Your current first come first serve free for all open time window would never fly over here. Our initial open time windows has always been done in seniority order....We are two very different cultures that are best served just staying separate...
01-03-2013 | 05:13 AM
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Whelp, it looks like management intends to place dual class large RJs on the L-XJT side. Looks like the ASA pilot group doesn't have the leverage they thought they had.
01-03-2013 | 05:29 AM
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