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03-01-2013, 09:04 PM
#2391
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: UniCal 737 FO
Posts: 413
Originally Posted by afterburn81
I like how everyone refers to the MEC as the "union". WE are the "union". If you pay dues, you are part of the union. If THEY are retreating, YOU are retreating. Yes the "MEC" has no backbone. Why should they? We just stand there like a bunch of goons watching while they take the easy way out and get paid no matter what the outcome. Not many people personally confront anyone in the MEC to express their disgust.
03-02-2013, 04:09 AM
#2392
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
Originally Posted by Red97Vette
"We" are part of the union because we are forced to be. We dont have a choice (other than quit).
And yes, you will still have to pay.
I love how guys complain about ALPA at the regional level never standing up for themselves and "holding the line". In this EXTREMELY cut-throat part of the industry if you hold the line or display a set of balls you will absolutely, no questions asked be Comaired. It's not debatable, it's a very unfortunate reality. There are too many regional pilots willing to take the flying to keep flying until their dream legacy calls.
I mean Jesus, look at Pinnacle. They voted 85% in favor of concessions. For those who bash them, lets see if you are willing to fall on your sword when your time comes. I guarantee you, you will not
03-02-2013, 04:17 AM
#2393
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,414
Shocked that people are getting this worked up about 5 days. Don't sweat the small stuff.....
03-02-2013, 05:28 AM
#2394
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320
Posts: 1,308
Originally Posted by Trip7
Shocked that people are getting this worked up about 5 days. Don't sweat the small stuff.....
03-02-2013, 06:24 AM
#2395
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Originally Posted by gatorhater
I don't disagree with the contract enforcement. I'm just saying pick your battles this ain't one of them. Schedules published, yes, ready reserve assignments, yes, many others, sure. But this is not the hill you die for.
Originally Posted by gatorhater
You got me there... Maybe y'all are right and this is the perfect time, the union can stand their ground. After all, five days between now and June just means a couple instructors work on the weekends. So this might be a good place to start.
It would be nice if this were a blip on the radar screen and the union had shown their teeth in other places. That this was a minor inconvience and the other issues had been resolved and represented properly.
It would be nice if this were a blip on the radar screen and the union had shown their teeth in other places. That this was a minor inconvience and the other issues had been resolved and represented properly.
Originally Posted by afterburn81
I like how everyone refers to the MEC as the "union". WE are the "union". If you pay dues, you are part of the union. If THEY are retreating, YOU are retreating. Yes the "MEC" has no backbone. Why should they? We just stand there like a bunch of goons watching while they take the easy way out and get paid no matter what the outcome. Not many people personally confront anyone in the MEC to express their disgust.
A union at a regional airline is pointless because no one stands together. The group is way too divided where half is content and wants to retire from the company one day while the other wants to move on to somewhere else. Majors don't have that issue. Most of them have the same desire, to stay until retirement. So they hold the company to the contract as a whole.
Honestly at the regional level, paying a few attorneys to negotiate and write a contract would work fine. Being unified outside of that is pointless. I see a lot that just let the company violate the CBA and don't follow up. EVER. And some that hold a gun to their head for everything.
A union at a regional airline is pointless because no one stands together. The group is way too divided where half is content and wants to retire from the company one day while the other wants to move on to somewhere else. Majors don't have that issue. Most of them have the same desire, to stay until retirement. So they hold the company to the contract as a whole.
Honestly at the regional level, paying a few attorneys to negotiate and write a contract would work fine. Being unified outside of that is pointless. I see a lot that just let the company violate the CBA and don't follow up. EVER. And some that hold a gun to their head for everything.
Originally Posted by Trip7
Shocked that people are getting this worked up about 5 days. Don't sweat the small stuff.....
Originally Posted by afterburn81
I dont think it's the 5 days that matters. Its the principal of the matter. You give them an inch and they will take 20 feet. It's human nature. Obviously this is an arbitrary number that has no real significance. But it was put in place and should have the same weight as your pay scale.
03-02-2013, 06:51 AM
#2396
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 259
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I've stood up to the union. Several times. Except no one bothered to stand behind me. The problem with "our' union isn't just apathy among the rank and file. The problem is that our "union" isn't a union, it's an association. ALPA is in the business of making money. They favor the groups that pay them the most, at our expense. Meanwhile, the senior management at the MEC level lives a quality of life they couldn't live as line pilots. they get hooked on that gravy train, not to mention rubbing elbows with big shots all day. They'll do anything to keep that position and stay in the game. That's where we are now. What we need is MEC officer term limits!
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Did anyone actually go through and count how many upgrades awarded on the prelim?
03-02-2013, 07:07 AM
#2397
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Originally Posted by unit monster
+1
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Did anyone actually go through and count how many upgrades awarded on the prelim?
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Did anyone actually go through and count how many upgrades awarded on the prelim?
03-02-2013, 07:22 AM
#2398
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Catching breathe
Posts: 240
Originally Posted by unit monster
+1
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Did anyone actually go through and count how many upgrades awarded on the prelim?
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Did anyone actually go through and count how many upgrades awarded on the prelim?
03-02-2013, 08:16 AM
#2399
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Joined APC: Aug 2012
Posts: 539
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
It was convoluted, but I came up with 7 upgrades in 700 ATL, 5 in DTW and 3 in IAD. There were also 5 resultant upgrades on ATL 200.
03-02-2013, 11:50 AM
#2400
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 285
Over 10 year guy here and on the last list I moved up about 20 numbers. I don't think I've moved that many numbers in the last 3 years!
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