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Old 08-11-2013, 03:40 PM
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Yes, they can do a fine job by not asking for concessions (ever) but especially since they gave themselves pay raises and also especially since they knew they were. No, I don't agree it's their job to ask us for concessions regardless of anything. That's why I say it's a lack if leadership. That's their job as management, to lead.

Why do you continue to make excuses and rationalize their request for concessions? State of the industry? We were operationally profitable and the whole corporation has been profitable all along!
I have never made excuses or rationalized their request for concessions. Show me once where I did that. You have never answered the question. Do you/we deserve a raise or not? If you do, why do you?
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Old 08-11-2013, 04:27 PM
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If they didn't ask for concessions right now, given the current state of the industry, they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
I think that the above is flawed only because the other carriers who have accepted those rates were under bankruptcy. So far that is not the case and I do hope that it continues down that road. To ask for concessions at this point has had only one outcome. For no reason, you have now upset the labor group to a point where they will refuse to sign onto anything that you produce.

I don't, or claim to know what the end game of Inc. is but hypocrisy will never win any souls.
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Old 08-11-2013, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets View Post
Yes, they can do a fine job by not asking for concessions (ever) but especially since they gave themselves pay raises and also especially since they knew they were. No, I don't agree it's their job to ask us for concessions regardless of anything. That's why I say it's a lack if leadership. That's their job as management, to lead.

Why do you continue to make excuses and rationalize their request for concessions? State of the industry? We were operationally profitable and the whole corporation has been profitable all along!
They started this when they agreed to a rate reset with Delta. I believe this is what motivated Delta to do what they did to Pinnacle. Now in a year+ Shywest has to match these rates, and Delta gets most of their regional lift super cheap. I also believe United, American/US Airways imitate Delta to a certain extent.
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Old 08-11-2013, 05:36 PM
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How is the EFB's coming along??? Close? Any day now???
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Old 08-11-2013, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ross9238 View Post
I think that the above is flawed only because the other carriers who have accepted those rates were under bankruptcy. So far that is not the case and I do hope that it continues down that road. To ask for concessions at this point has had only one outcome. For no reason, you have now upset the labor group to a point where they will refuse to sign onto anything that you produce.

I don't, or claim to know what the end game of Inc. is but hypocrisy will never win any souls.
Please understand that I don't agree with the tactic, but given the state of the industry and management's responsibility to the shareholders, I don't think we could have made it through this without being asked for concessions. Again, I do not agree with the tactic, just pointing out why I believe they did it.
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Old 08-11-2013, 05:47 PM
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How is the EFB's coming along??? Close? Any day now???
I heard this week from a LCA that they are coming. No date. Will probably be iPads.
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Old 08-11-2013, 06:41 PM
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How is the EFB's coming along??? Close? Any day now???
I heard the EFB's are being tested in the simulators. They will be iPad 2 and later models.
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:46 PM
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I heard the EFB's are being tested in the simulators. They will be iPad 2 and later models.
When I did my AQP in January, I was told to expect them in the first quarter.
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Old 08-12-2013, 02:50 AM
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When I did my AQP in January, I was told to expect them in the first quarter.
Expect them when pilot concessions finance the hardware purchase and not one day sooner.
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Expect them when pilot concessions finance the hardware purchase and not one day sooner.
They should keep our next few Performance Plus bonuses to finance them. I don't think anyone could complain about that.
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