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08-12-2013, 04:21 AM
#4001
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Originally Posted by ross9238
I think that the above is flawed only because the other carriers who have accepted those rates were under bankruptcy. So far that is not the case and I do hope that it continues down that road. To ask for concessions at this point has had only one outcome. For no reason, you have now upset the labor group to a point where they will refuse to sign onto anything that you produce.
I don't, or claim to know what the end game of Inc. is but hypocrisy will never win any souls.
I don't, or claim to know what the end game of Inc. is but hypocrisy will never win any souls.
08-12-2013, 07:52 AM
#4002
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
Originally Posted by Nevets
Yes, they can do a fine job by not asking for concessions (ever) but especially since they gave themselves pay raises and also especially since they knew they were. No, I don't agree it's their job to ask us for concessions regardless of anything. That's why I say it's a lack if leadership. That's their job as management, to lead.
Why do you continue to make excuses and rationalize their request for concessions? State of the industry? We were operationally profitable and the whole corporation has been profitable all along!
Why do you continue to make excuses and rationalize their request for concessions? State of the industry? We were operationally profitable and the whole corporation has been profitable all along!
As for our pay raises, yes of course we deserve them. We deserve them for many reasons. One reason is that they for pay raises and we didn't.
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
Originally Posted by ross9238
I think that the above is flawed only because the other carriers who have accepted those rates were under bankruptcy. So far that is not the case and I do hope that it continues down that road. To ask for concessions at this point has had only one outcome. For no reason, you have now upset the labor group to a point where they will refuse to sign onto anything that you produce.
I don't, or claim to know what the end game of Inc. is but hypocrisy will never win any souls.
I don't, or claim to know what the end game of Inc. is but hypocrisy will never win any souls.
08-12-2013, 08:00 AM
#4003
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by Nevets
You do understand that we made a profit right? And that not only have they been giving themselves raises, they are paying for two management teams and two if everything to run the airlines. And it's their job to ask us for pay cuts when they can get coat cuts from other places? How is that them doing their job? Ridiculous! There you go with rationalizations.
08-12-2013, 08:20 AM
#4004
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by ASAnotASAP
Originally Posted by Nevets
You do understand that we made a profit right? And that not only have they been giving themselves raises, they are paying for two management teams and two if everything to run the airlines. And it's their job to ask us for pay cuts when they can get coat cuts from other places? How is that them doing their job? Ridiculous! There you go with rationalizations.
08-12-2013, 08:34 AM
#4005
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Grounded
Posts: 451
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
FWIW, they haven't asked us to meet the costs of any bankrupt carriers, only SkyWest Airlines.
On a side note for those who are worried about iPads or the like, please do not wrap yourselves in things like this.
08-12-2013, 11:06 AM
#4006
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: CRJ CA
Posts: 328
iPads will come when Jepp no longer prints paper charts and/or the cost of the hardware and subscriptions is less than the paper charts plus delivery.
08-12-2013, 01:15 PM
#4007
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: 737 Left
Posts: 1,825
Originally Posted by Nevets
Yes, you rationalized it by saying they took a pay cut on one year, and by saying they take their job home with them, and by saying they provided the capital (not true) and we are labor. Those are all rationalization a (arguments) for their pay raises. That's what you've been posting all along. I get it, even though you do, you don't agree it's rationalizations.
As for our pay raises, yes of course we deserve them. We deserve them for many reasons. One reason is that they for pay raises and we didn't.
You do understand that we made a profit right? And that not only have they been giving themselves raises, they are paying for two management teams and two if everything to run the airlines. And it's their job to ask us for pay cuts when they can get coat cuts from other places? How is that them doing their job? Ridiculous! There you go with rationalizations.
As for our pay raises, yes of course we deserve them. We deserve them for many reasons. One reason is that they for pay raises and we didn't.
You do understand that we made a profit right? And that not only have they been giving themselves raises, they are paying for two management teams and two if everything to run the airlines. And it's their job to ask us for pay cuts when they can get coat cuts from other places? How is that them doing their job? Ridiculous! There you go with rationalizations.
I would say more, but the fact that you think we should get a raise because somebody else did tells me that you really don't understand your value or what the issue actually is. No sweat off my back.
Atl
08-12-2013, 04:59 PM
#4008
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
Originally Posted by Nevets
Yes, you rationalized it by saying they took a pay cut on one year, and by saying they take their job home with them, and by saying they provided the capital (not true) and we are labor. Those are all rationalization a (arguments) for their pay raises. That's what you've been posting all along. I get it, even though you do, you don't agree it's rationalizations.
As for our pay raises, yes of course we deserve them. We deserve them for many reasons. One reason is that they for pay raises and we didn't.
You do understand that we made a profit right? And that not only have they been giving themselves raises, they are paying for two management teams and two if everything to run the airlines. And it's their job to ask us for pay cuts when they can get coat cuts from other places? How is that them doing their job? Ridiculous! There you go with rationalizations.
As for our pay raises, yes of course we deserve them. We deserve them for many reasons. One reason is that they for pay raises and we didn't.
You do understand that we made a profit right? And that not only have they been giving themselves raises, they are paying for two management teams and two if everything to run the airlines. And it's their job to ask us for pay cuts when they can get coat cuts from other places? How is that them doing their job? Ridiculous! There you go with rationalizations.
I would say more, but the fact that you think we should get a raise because somebody else did tells me that you really don't understand your value or what the issue actually is. No sweat off my back.
Atl
And to correct you, I said that ONE reason we should get raises is because they gave themselves raises. That's just ONE reason, not the sole reason.
08-12-2013, 06:50 PM
#4009
Dumb Pilot
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Broke
Posts: 784
I have tried the regional industry out. I am now on my third due to bk furlough and all the fun stuff. Two were ALPA carriers and I now reside at Skywest.
I have to say that skywest is by far the best yet but it has its downfalls just as everwhere else.
When I first started at Skywest I was concerned about the express operation loosing money, but that was before I saw the massive pay increases the management team has awarded them selves. 2.3 million dollar managment salary increases for a year that you ask pilots for concessions is a disgrace!
I hope expressjet or no airline agrees to concessions. That game has went on way to long.
I have to say that skywest is by far the best yet but it has its downfalls just as everwhere else.
When I first started at Skywest I was concerned about the express operation loosing money, but that was before I saw the massive pay increases the management team has awarded them selves. 2.3 million dollar managment salary increases for a year that you ask pilots for concessions is a disgrace!
I hope expressjet or no airline agrees to concessions. That game has went on way to long.
08-13-2013, 07:04 AM
#4010
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Grounded
Posts: 451
Originally Posted by Is offline
I have tried the regional industry out. I am now on my third due to bk furlough and all the fun stuff. Two were ALPA carriers and I now reside at Skywest.
I have to say that skywest is by far the best yet but it has its downfalls just as everwhere else.
When I first started at Skywest I was concerned about the express operation loosing money, but that was before I saw the massive pay increases the management team has awarded them selves. 2.3 million dollar managment salary increases for a year that you ask pilots for concessions is a disgrace!
I hope expressjet or no airline agrees to concessions. That game has went on way to long.
I have to say that skywest is by far the best yet but it has its downfalls just as everwhere else.
When I first started at Skywest I was concerned about the express operation loosing money, but that was before I saw the massive pay increases the management team has awarded them selves. 2.3 million dollar managment salary increases for a year that you ask pilots for concessions is a disgrace!
I hope expressjet or no airline agrees to concessions. That game has went on way to long.
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