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Old 01-31-2017 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I certainly hope my posts aren't interpreted that way.

I didn't intend that-at all.

Just trying to be helpful. I know some folks are still on the fence. They shouldn't be.

Trying to share my opinion in a non-insulting way. For a long time, I thought that ASA would be picking up some new flying somewhere-maybe getting the e-170 or something. I definitely don't think that anymore. With all the legacies scraping and clawing to find pilots for their regionals, you'd think ASA would be in a great position-given that they have a surplus of experienced pilots. If the company can't find new flying at this point, it is game over. Regional feed is in a tough spot these days. Most regionals are desperate for pilots. ASA is parking half the fleet. I can't see that as a good thing on any level.

The job market (finally) looks good. Take advantage of it. People should reconsider the term "lateral move" when an airline is closing.

It's only my opinion, but it is a very strong one. I very much think ASA is closing-probably will be around until the delta contract expires-but after that date, I just don't see it.

I'm very sad about the situation-but it's real. This is not a drill. I don't see any way things will improve. I hope things work out-but really... Has any regional ever parked half the fleet and survived? How does that even work?

Not trying to insult anyone.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 01:17 PM
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The internal jobs board right now has no pilot positions available. Fleet managers are the only FO positions available.

The 700s for AA are all the QX tails.


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Old 01-31-2017 | 03:10 PM
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All the fleet managers bailing??? (These are the guys in the know)
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Old 02-01-2017 | 04:45 PM
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We are still hiring.
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Old 02-01-2017 | 08:41 PM
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Been a while since I read/heard anything about ASA.

Bums me out to hear what's happened. Worked with some solid people when I was there and I hope you all are going to end up in a good spot, if you haven't already.
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Old 02-02-2017 | 08:56 AM
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Here's a bum's speculation. ASA delta side will be shortened until it makes sense to merge with the United side. That will solve any needs on the LXJT side. Can't merge with skyw because merging union-nonunion is a nightmare. But who will pick up the pace for regionals in ATL?
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Old 02-02-2017 | 12:38 PM
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You know the answer to that question.

Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Here's a bum's speculation. ASA delta side will be shortened until it makes sense to merge with the United side. That will solve any needs on the LXJT side. Can't merge with skyw because merging union-nonunion is a nightmare. But who will pick up the pace for regionals in ATL?
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Old 02-02-2017 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Here's a bum's speculation. ASA delta side will be shortened until it makes sense to merge with the United side. That will solve any needs on the LXJT side. Can't merge with skyw because merging union-nonunion is a nightmare. But who will pick up the pace for regionals in ATL?
ASA, XJT and INC will never agree on a pilot contract. There will be no merger.

If there was even a chance of this happening, they would have already started talks for the new contract.
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Old 02-02-2017 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I certainly hope my posts aren't interpreted that way.

I didn't intend that-at all.

Just trying to be helpful. I know some folks are still on the fence. They shouldn't be.

Trying to share my opinion in a non-insulting way. For a long time, I thought that ASA would be picking up some new flying somewhere-maybe getting the e-170 or something. I definitely don't think that anymore. With all the legacies scraping and clawing to find pilots for their regionals, you'd think ASA would be in a great position-given that they have a surplus of experienced pilots. If the company can't find new flying at this point, it is game over. Regional feed is in a tough spot these days. Most regionals are desperate for pilots. ASA is parking half the fleet. I can't see that as a good thing on any level.

The job market (finally) looks good. Take advantage of it. People should reconsider the term "lateral move" when an airline is closing.

It's only my opinion, but it is a very strong one. I very much think ASA is closing-probably will be around until the delta contract expires-but after that date, I just don't see it.

I'm very sad about the situation-but it's real. This is not a drill. I don't see any way things will improve. I hope things work out-but really... Has any regional ever parked half the fleet and survived? How does that even work?

Not trying to insult anyone.
Pinnacle parked about 120 CRJ-200's, 36 Q400's, all of the Mesaba & Colgan Saabs, and all of the Colgan 1900's. With all of those aircraft being parked the Seniority list quickly went from nearly 3,000 pilots down to 1,800 in just a few years. Now Endeavor is one of the top Regionals to be at, but that doesn't mean that's how it'll turn out for y'all. Just thought I'd contribute to the question about "Any Regional ever parked half the fleet and survived?"
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Old 02-03-2017 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
Pinnacle parked about 120 CRJ-200's, 36 Q400's, all of the Mesaba & Colgan Saabs, and all of the Colgan 1900's. With all of those aircraft being parked the Seniority list quickly went from nearly 3,000 pilots down to 1,800 in just a few years. Now Endeavor is one of the top Regionals to be at, but that doesn't mean that's how it'll turn out for y'all. Just thought I'd contribute to the question about "Any Regional ever parked half the fleet and survived?"
Minor corrections; the Colgan Beech 1900's were already long gone by the beginning of the merger, but the 16 Pinnacle CRJ900's were parked early on in the merger.
I believe the 900's went to ASA, and I know several of the CRJ-200's ended up at SkyWest. The Q400's tried to go to Republic but couldn't be staffed and some are still sitting unused in YYZ. Some of the Saabs ended up at Silver, some are sitting in BGR.
Last I saw Endeavor is about 1600 pilots now. The pilots have paid a very heavy price for the recent pay gains.
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