PulledBreaker

Cannot? What on earth makes you think this? PBS is Indigo's 4th quarter stall tactic, watch.

V1 McFlyerson

Honestly, I would too about not being informed whatsoever as to any other considerations with Spirit's TA.

V1 McFlyerson

Section 1: recognition and job security

Sky is Falling

So there is rescheduling language in the Spirit TA. Here are the details with the entire "stay 2 extra hours after your trip"

-Yes, at the completion of any scheduled duty, the company can notify a pilot (phone of record is the only way to notify a pilot as it has to be recorded) to remain at the airport for a possible rescheduling.

-If they do, its 2 hours pay above guarantee instantly, even if they dont use the pilot or you leave 1 minute after

-If they reschedule you, you are paid the above 2 hours regardless, as mentioned, and 1 minute pay for every 2 minutes, either leading into rest or block out for the next trip.

Example. You are on a 3 day trip. You land at MSP for your first overnight. Your phone rings and you say "sure, ill answer." They tell you they have rescheduled you to fly to ORD now and overnight there, the flight leaves in 3 hours. You get the 2 hours pay plus 1/2 pay for every minute after 2 hours leading up to push of the ORD flight.

If you are rescheduled and 2 hours into it you think "wow, sitting in the airport is tiresome, I dont think I can do this flight." You can call in fatigued, pay protected under new LOA for fatigue, and keep you 2 hours of rescheduling pay as well.

Example. You finish a 3 day in your base of FLL. You get off the plane and your phone rings, you answer for some insane reason. If they want to reschedule you, they have to have you back in base within no later than 4 hours of your original trip end period, which essentially was at that moment+4hours, because you just finished a trip. The number of trips we have in the system that they could put you on, board, fly, return and have the 30 minute block out time, and be within 4 hours, is limited.

If rescheduled into a red eye, that duty period is paid 200%
If rescheduled and for some reason you cant get home at original trip duty period +4 (plane breaks last leg, wx cancelation etc) you are paid 200% for the entire duty period the next day to get you home (10 hours pay)

If rescheduled to do a 3 day and the last overnight is in SEA. And on that day to come home, it must comply with your release being original trip end+4. And a freak snow storm comes in and everything is snowed in. You cant get out that day and have to get home tomorrow. The above example of 200% for the extra day applies. Now lets say its really bad and the airport is shut down and it takes you into your second day off to get home, now the entire pairing is paid at 200%. So a 4 day rescheduled trip at 25 hours now is 2 extra duty periods, 35 hours. And the second day because of the snow storm makes the entire trip 200%, so it pays 70 hours. Close to $15k pay for CAs, more for many.

The rescheduling thing is not ideal, no doubt. But it was clear this was a MUST from the company and I think the NC did a decent job is obtaining premium pay throughout the rescheduling language.

And in the end...

1)You can always call in fatigued if you are tired and a wait of any kind caused that. You are 100% pay protected.

2)As confirmed, positive contact for any assignment is from scheduling to phone of record on a recorded line. Don't be a fool and answer your phone if you dont want to be rescheduled. ACARS, OPs, other crew member does not constitute a reschedule.

Im not affiliated with the union at all. But I did take the time to read the info provided, read the TA, and the examples, and have asked the NC/LEC a few questions for clarification. I hope all of our pilots at least learn the language and they can vote however they want based on that.

therapysession

So I guess you missed the part about me saying, current work rules? Then posted an APCF link, instead of citing actual references. This is the drivel that I'm talking about. Let us all post productive, educated information, and make this thread useful.

Mugatu

You’re selling this like management. Hmm.

Pay rate doesn’t mean much. I’m interested in the total economic package and especially all the work rules.

Full retro, too.

Duct Mon

Because you are!!! Your analysis of pay rates alone make you one as well. Why now all of a sudden you've join APC? And pointing out the financial difference perhaps the one and only positive takeaway from their TA.

therapysession

Duct Mon, I read through all your posts back from your Mesa days. You do not post one positive comment and continually berated others who expressed their opinions. So I'm guessing you're not a real happy person.

I'm just pointing out facts based on research and not hearsay. Do your own math and figures and present them on here. I'm open to all examples and would love the discussion.

Duct Mon

Yes, its true i came from Mesa at a time when negotiations were going brutally slow with an MEC and negotiators who were beat down by the process. Their road shows after the TA was announced were filled with the major highlight being pay rates. The rest of the contract was garbage and the pay rates weren't really that significant compared to their peers. I went through hell trying to keep those pilots informed of mgmt trolls on APC and others with nefarious intentions.
You don't have a history on here and haven't proven who's side you're on.
No need to keep comparing only pay rates because thats not the only thing that makes a good TA.

ReserveCA

I have read the full TA.... lot more to it than pay rates, retirement, override....
Lipstick on a pig is still a pig