Originally Posted by DENpilot

Y'all are **** heads.... can anyone explain this constant replying to trolls and attempts to hurt our bargaining positions on a public forum?

Originally Posted by motorboatin

As an aside, the surcharges, if you’d done any of your homework, do exactly with our healthcare what the F9 business model does with bag fees. It’s an à la carte plan. Pay for what you need. Cut the surcharge and then you socialize the costs of the policy equally to all enrollees. It’s not just a fee that “goes away” because dracir doesn’t like it. Those with kids and a working spouse pay more because they use more of the policy benefits. Get rid of the surcharge, then those without the additional needs help fund those that use more. It’s very simple, but I have a suspicion that you’d be very unhappy paying more every month for your so called brethren just to see the surcharge go away, unless of course you’re one of the guys that has a slew of kids. In that case I’d bet that you’d love to see your brethren pay more to support your family and your life choices.

Originally Posted by Mesabi

I cannot BELIEVE I’m seeing a pilot try to rationalize the completely outrageous cost of F9 insurance. Premiums, surcharges, copays... everything is ASTRONOMICALLY higher than anything I’ve ever seen at any other company. Airline or not.

Bottom line is Indigo has weaseled their way out of paying anything they can avoid and passed ALL of those costs directly to the employees.

This should not be an argument about which pilot pays more to subsidize another pilot (but nice job trying to get us at each other’s throats, just like Indigo wants, rather than unified against those tyrannical oppressors). This should be about making indigo cover more of the cost and relieving their employees from the burden, like EVERY OTHER company out there.

Originally Posted by therapysession

I agree. Our healthcare is pretty crummy. Does anybody know what dollar amount extra it would take on a per hour basis for us to just say screw it and buy our own healthcare?

I don't know where that would equal out. If the company said we will give you ask, plus an extra 20 per hour but you pay health care. Is that a good deal?

Originally Posted by OpenClimb

I’ve checked and I can buy my high deductible plan on the open market for about $50 to $70 more than what’s coming out of my check from Frontier. I’m single and have the high deductible plan combined with an HSA. Frontier also contributes somewhere around $50 per month to my HSA, so you’d really have to add that in to make an accurate comparison. For me, it’d cost me $125-ish more per month in the open market.

I don’t know what the high deductible plan costs a pilot for a family—again, net of the company’s HSA contribution, but my brother is self-employed and pays roughly $900/month for his family of 4.

Originally Posted by SFA320

Ha ha wow just wow. Have you seen how much private insurance plans are? Good try though.

Originally Posted by therapysession

To answer your question no, I have not seen. Which is why I posted the question. You and Openclimb have different views though, so this is obviously something we need to research and discuss.