ReserveCA

Duh.....
If our eventual TA looks like NK'S my vote will be no

DrJekyll MrHyde

I understood you. I would vote likewise.

PulledBreaker

If only we could get our newly appointed board member to actually acknowledge us.

DrJekyll MrHyde

On Wednesday it will have been a month since the NMB met to discuss the findings from presentations by both parties. Supposedly they were waiting for the Spirit TA to be published, but what does that have to do with us and the company being at an impasse? Absolutely no bearing. We’ve been over-the-top reasonable with these jokers, we don’t need another feather in our cap. The NMB is composed of a bunch of self-serving cowards; they don’t want to ruffle the pro-company feathers. Political bull crap, plain and simple. They have literally dragged this thing out long enough for a booming stock market to have a down-tick. Now the company can start whining about the risk of higher offers in “unfavorable business conditions.” Meanwhile we’re left making jokes on Facebook about being stuck in a “Groundhog Day” loop.

GMAFB!

Missed Appch

I was thinking the same thing when i saw the Facebook post. That should really show them.

What a joke.

therapysession

I honestly don't even know what this thread has turned into, but it has raised my blood pressure significantly. Mostly just due to grammatical errors (just take 1 min to proof read).

I see a lot of people posting, "..that Spirit contract is garbage" "if we get that it's a no for me." ect. Has anybody actually done any work or math?

These figures below are just based on pay at guarantee per month, and for that current seat.

Current Contract Pay: 401K@ 9%: Total per Month:

5 yr CA --- 9,817 --- 884.00 --- 10,700
6 yr CA --- 10,192 --- 917.00 --- 11,109
7 yr CA --- 10,555 --- 959.00 --- 11,505


New TA pay: DC

5 yr CA --- 14,544 --- 1,745 --- 16,289
6 yr CA --- 14,981 --- 1,947 --- 16,929
7 yr CA --- 15,518 --- 2,017 --- 17,535

Just based on that info alone Spirit is looking at anywhere between 55% and 70% increase over current contract based on seat (if you look at all the seats).

If anybody actually wants to do the work they can, but I'll give you the facts right here. If they vote no and then renegotiate for 2 years to just get 100% of what they asked for. The net loss = -145,744 for a 5 year capt over the course of 5 years. The 2 years it would take during negotiations, one would lose out on nearly 160,000. You can't make that up during the next 3 years with only a few dollar per hour increase over what the company proposed.

So in summary...... If Frontier were to get the Spirit contract with our current work rules it is an absolute yes vote for me. For them to get a 55% to 70% overall raise on a contract that is already better than ours then how could we not here? I understand they have PBS, but our company has not brought that up once, and cannot bring it up now.

Also for the people spounting "100% full retro or no vote for me". Please do your homework. No airline ever has gotten full retro. I'm not certain on this so maybe somebody can chime in, but the most retro an airline has gotten was Hawaiin, and that was only roughly 45%

Therapy session complete. Please do your homework, proof read, and try to stay positive. This sucks for all of us I know.

V1 McFlyerson

It's ok mad guy. You're vote counts too. Deep breaths.

That's some great pay rate analysis. Now maybe you can read and consider the rest of their TA?

Jetalc

Careful about pointing fingers...
1. It's "etc." not "ect."
2. It's "spouting", not "spounting".
3. It's "Hawaiian", not "Hawaiin".
4. It's "proofread", not "proof read".

It takes just 1 minute to proofread.

One takeaway from your post that I do agree with is that IF we can keep our current work rules with those pay rates, it does not completely suck. I remember reading somewhere about the Spirit TA that even lineholders can be kept at the airport for up to two hours after a trip for possible reassignment. That type of crap won't fly with me.

therapysession

Hahaha oh man! I feel like a complete idiot now.....

Jetalc

LOL...oh well. I think your blood pressure may have caused a slight case of hypocrisy. It will resume to normal once your blood pressure comes down...