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Old 01-31-2018, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Planepirate View Post
I think if we hired hotter flight attendants we could charge more for tickets. Therefore the ability of the company to pay us more might be directly correlated to the average FA hotness. Bet ya never thought of that metric.
I think there's actually an inverse relationship with that metric.
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Old 01-31-2018, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Planepirate View Post
Man I give up haha. I used Delta as an example to illustrate my point. Insert any other airline and see how Frontier stacks up when it comes to total net profit per pilot.

Anyways I’m done arguing about it. I’ve already wasted too much time with this. Just know that myself, along with most all Spirit pilots are behind our Frontier brethren. I hope your NC knocks it out of the park. Let me know when and where if y’all get released, and I’ll be there
All you need to know regarding their financial data is that Indigo Partners is an incredibly profitable worldwide ULCC powerhouse, which only intends on further connecting this ULCC network. You don’t need to sit here and count airplanes, or count pilots, or whatever. No one ever asked for Delta+. But, for our own “so called” brethren trying to lower expectations is sad... very sad. Maybe we won’t end up where we should be, or where we want. Maybe where we end up will be more than we dreamed. But, we certainly don’t need people like you managing our expectations down, before we even know where things will end up. Until there is an AIP or TA, let our negotiating committee do the negotiating, and shut the hell up about where you think we should end up.

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Old 01-31-2018, 09:02 PM
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The fleet update is actually very descriptive in the latest issue of Winning.
18 deliverys, with 12 lease returns. So plus 6 for the year is confirmed. Whatever “confirmed” means in the airline world.
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Originally Posted by 1900luxuryliner View Post
All you need to know regarding their financial data is that Indigo Partners is an incredibly profitable worldwide ULCC powerhouse, which only intends on further connecting this ULCC network. You don’t need to sit here and count airplanes, or count pilots, or whatever. No one ever asked for Delta+. But, for our own “so called” brethren trying to lower expectations is sad... very sad. Maybe we won’t end up where we should be, or where we want. Maybe where we end up will be more than we dreamed. But, we certainly don’t need people like you managing our expectations down, before we even know where things will end up. Until there is an AIP or TA, let our negotiating committee do the negotiating, and shut the hell up about where you think we should end up.
I don’t want to lower your expectations I want to raise them, especially when it comes to scope. If you think living under a holding company that owns multiple airlines on separate seniority lists doesn’t open you up to the possiblity of a major whipsaw through codeshareing then you better wake up. Not you personally but the group. You need Scope more than any pay rate
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Why are there so many “NK” posters here?? There’s more now than regular F9 pilots. And WE are the ones in the middle of negotiations! Hmm. 🤔
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Old 02-01-2018, 02:38 PM
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Why are there so many “NK” posters here?? There’s more now than regular F9 pilots. And WE are the ones in the middle of negotiations! Hmm. 🤔
they're actually alpa and they're here to help!!!!
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Old 02-02-2018, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot View Post
I don’t want to lower your expectations I want to raise them, especially when it comes to scope. If you think living under a holding company that owns multiple airlines on separate seniority lists doesn’t open you up to the possiblity of a major whipsaw through codeshareing then you better wake up. Not you personally but the group. You need Scope more than any pay rate
More with the scope...

Thanks for your input so-called NK #27358. We appreciate it. We, who have already negotiated one contract previously, really are grateful we have you and your brethren to remind us of what’s most important. We got the message.

Any other helpful tidbits that you all seem to think we have either forgotten about or never knew and now need your kind reminders?

If not, then, if you don’t mind too terribly, we’d like to get back to a discussion of the current events associated with OUR contract negotiation and the carefully worded “updates” to the many potential pilots who might be interested in knowing more about how they are going but don’t have access to internal emails and other associated information. We’d actualky like to discuss, in a non-confrontational and informative manner, how we all need to stay strong and unified in this most trying time. We’re not trying to compare a speculated contract offer which hasn’t occurred vs your AIP. We’re not interested in what you were able to obtain scope wise. And we’re certainly not interested in YOUR perceptions of what course of action WE should be taking.

There are not too many places that our pilot group gets together in mass and is able to share thoughts, ideas and other potentially unifying words of wisdom and advice - this place obviously has its limitations but at least is fairly encompassing. So I would greatly appreciate your understanding of our attempts at this time.

Truce?

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Old 02-02-2018, 11:16 AM
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Later gator.

Get it all ladies and gentleman. I hope it’s better than the piece we managed to send for a vote
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Old 02-04-2018, 07:28 AM
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Sure hope our NC sees the NK deal like the turd it is....
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Old 02-04-2018, 08:12 AM
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Sure hope our NC sees the NK deal like the turd it is....
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