Hiring / training
07-19-2021, 08:00 PM
#1851
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 2,973
For the company it isn't just about coverage. It's a cost thing. It costs money to have us on the payroll even if you drop to zero and they don't give you a pay check. So they want to make you work to earn your keep. I'm surprised that any airline allows pilots to drop to zero.
It certainly would be a nice option to have for rare occasion like a trip to New Zealand, but otherwise I'm not going to complain much about it compared to some other issues. I work to make money and save for retirement. This contract has greatly helped my primary goal - saving up so I don't have to work at all.
It certainly would be a nice option to have for rare occasion like a trip to New Zealand, but otherwise I'm not going to complain much about it compared to some other issues. I work to make money and save for retirement. This contract has greatly helped my primary goal - saving up so I don't have to work at all.
07-20-2021, 07:01 AM
#1852
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 160
Originally Posted by Aero1900
For the company it isn't just about coverage. It's a cost thing. It costs money to have us on the payroll even if you drop to zero and they don't give you a pay check. So they want to make you work to earn your keep. I'm surprised that any airline allows pilots to drop to zero.
Additionally nobody thinks about the positive aspect of having the limits in place. If you are allowing people to drop to 0 that means a lot worse reserve coverage for the month which results in less flexibility for line holders that just want to drop or swap a few trips.
I think our system is fine and if we’re using negotiating capital, how about we spend it on something like a calendar minimum day instead of duty min day. Then you won’t have 6 hour red eye turns or 10 hour three days with a 28 hour layover somewhere you don’t want to be.
07-21-2021, 10:53 AM
#1853
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by EAFF95
I think our system is fine and if we’re using negotiating capital, how about we spend it on something like a calendar minimum day instead of duty min day. Then you won’t have 6 hour red eye turns or 10 hour three days with a 28 hour layover somewhere you don’t want to be.
07-21-2021, 12:41 PM
#1856
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 461
Originally Posted by EAFF95
I agree it’s a cost thing, I’ll go farther than what you’re saying though. At F9 the more open time the more costly it is for our company since we have a 1.25 override over 82. Spirit does not.
Additionally nobody thinks about the positive aspect of having the limits in place. If you are allowing people to drop to 0 that means a lot worse reserve coverage for the month which results in less flexibility for line holders that just want to drop or swap a few trips.
I think our system is fine and if we’re using negotiating capital, how about we spend it on something like a calendar minimum day instead of duty min day. Then you won’t have 6 hour red eye turns or 10 hour three days with a 28 hour layover somewhere you don’t want to be.
Additionally nobody thinks about the positive aspect of having the limits in place. If you are allowing people to drop to 0 that means a lot worse reserve coverage for the month which results in less flexibility for line holders that just want to drop or swap a few trips.
I think our system is fine and if we’re using negotiating capital, how about we spend it on something like a calendar minimum day instead of duty min day. Then you won’t have 6 hour red eye turns or 10 hour three days with a 28 hour layover somewhere you don’t want to be.
7+6+2 = 15 and it should equal 18.
07-21-2021, 01:34 PM
#1857
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,772
Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
We don’t have a duty min day. We have an Average Minimum Duty Period.
7+6+2 = 15 and it should equal 18.
7+6+2 = 15 and it should equal 18.
07-21-2021, 02:16 PM
#1858
Bus Driver ordinarie
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 553
This time it’s Personnel
Originally Posted by weflyurelax
If anyone here is interviewing on the 10th, I would love to grab a coffee or supper the night before. PM me if interested, thanks.
in person interviews kick back off in august. Dust off those suits fellas…
07-21-2021, 03:54 PM
#1859
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 160
Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
We don’t have a duty min day. We have an Average Minimum Duty Period.
7+6+2 = 15 and it should equal 18.
7+6+2 = 15 and it should equal 18.
I'd love to see that fixed.
Either a true minimum calendar day (which nobody as far as I can tell has) or even an average minimum calendar day pay would be great. The average minimum duty period pay leads to them utilizing redeye turns for min credit or three/four day pairings where there's no flying for a whole day.
07-21-2021, 04:47 PM
#1860
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2020
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by EAFF95
Whatever you want to call it, what we currently have leads to some really unproductive pairings which the company takes advantage of.
I'd love to see that fixed.
Either a true minimum calendar day (which nobody as far as I can tell has) or even an average minimum calendar day pay would be great. The average minimum duty period pay leads to them utilizing redeye turns for min credit or three/four day pairings where there's no flying for a whole day.
I'd love to see that fixed.
Either a true minimum calendar day (which nobody as far as I can tell has) or even an average minimum calendar day pay would be great. The average minimum duty period pay leads to them utilizing redeye turns for min credit or three/four day pairings where there's no flying for a whole day.
Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson
7+6+2 = 15 and it should equal 18.
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