ERAUAV8R

you haven’t even worked there a year. Bold to be throwing stones

Stayontarget

Here’s the problem friendo. You came out incorrectly and arrogantly swinging against a pretty standard observation from a CAPTAIN at this airline. Or when given a first hand example of why college experience really isn’t all that much experience you call it a “sob story.” That’s the lack of experience talking and that’s understandable. We all have to fill up that wisdom jar before the luck jar runs out. While getting to this point I had a ton of guidance and help in my career and am very thankful for that help and try to pay it forward. But one thing I never ever did was say “it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about” to my peers trying to help educate me. Respect is earned and this hubris will not serve you well in a CRM environment.



As far as your next comment. Throwing stones? I’m referencing ratios of initial pay rates of first officers in 2023, 2013, 2003, ect…vs the 4yr degree costs those same years. But even then it’s not a fair comparison since right out of college you rarely could see an FO spot without thousands of hours of multi. Only speaking for my case that ratio was 1:3 and I was fortunate to go to a cheaper school and get a job paying 50% more than a 1st yr regional fairly quickly. That same school now is 1:1 if they decide to come to F9 without the bonus. With bonus it’s even more lucrative.

Dafuq

I would love to be in the flight deck when the Riddle grad brags about his experience flying the FTD to the humble 380 Captain.

I wish those 2 were paired together.

UpwardInflow

Haha, that humble A380 Captain is also a USAF fighter pilot combat vet. I’m sure he’ll be super impressed by the rough college go at a very expensive private university/flight school that an individual had.

Nothing against ERAU, I actually earned a degree from their online university in my personal time while spending many years flying in the service all over the world, but the kid claiming how rough he had it has a lot to learn.

303flyboy

I have flown with some excellent former EK/CX/Etihad/ Air Canada Captains and often fly with excellent retired AF / Navy pilots. I have flown with some very sharp with great attitudes 1500 hour college program guys and girls before as well, and continue to do so. I have learned a lot from both groups. The people who scared me most are the 3,5 stripers who still tie their identity to being a pilot

But the one thing ERAU, I do want to point out is to remember the people you meet on the way up in this industry are the same you’ll meet on the way down. And if your experience bucket is still relatively low it would be wise like my colleagues advised you, to remain humble. Which would actually serve you well.

UpwardInflow

This seems like some very legitimate advise and I agree with it.

ERAUAV8R

i appreciate the advice but must say I’m a very humble and appreciative person. But we can all agree that every pilot harbors a bit of an ego. I’m just here to keep it an ego free zone and to show respect to coworkers.

EMB120IP

Not likely. The applicants (who had been trained and signed off meeting all standards) took a checkride and failed to meet the standards of an element. It shows the check-airman are giving checkrides with their eyes open and not pencil whipping ATP/Type ratings

TransWorld

Then it sounds like the instructors that are at fault.

If one person fails, it is his fault. If most of the class fails, it is the instructors fault. Same as it is with professors at universities,

fcoolaiddrinker

This isn’t a mystery. For a pt/initial check ride you’re allowed to be outside atp standards once and re trained. After that it’s a fail. End of story.

If it’s an instructor/student personally conflict there’s a process for requesting a different instructor.

This everyone passes or gets a trophy won’t work for 121 check rides.

professors at a university is an entirely different conversation but the same applies. Not everyone passes and if you don’t know the material you not going to pass. In college if the professor sucks drop the class. You have a few weeks to figure it out.