How long for a contract?
03-10-2026 | 07:56 AM
#2381
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I believe the phrase “average daily” covers your concern and would result in 15:45 credit, so hopefully they would stop building trips like that. “Average duty period” is the problem, which would result in 10:30 like you are saying. You might have an inefficient day still such as a one leg day with a short leg followed by a heavy day where you do 8-9 hours but the average drags that last day down, but it would eliminate the long low paying trips.
03-10-2026 | 08:56 AM
#2382
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That is my concern. 10 hour 3 days get a ton of hate but a trip that starts at 00:01 and ends at 23:44 the same day sound way worse IMO. Or instead of our standard 10 hr 3 day as it is now we are adding victory laps on the beginning or end of trips so the company can get their $$ worth out of us.
03-10-2026 | 11:32 AM
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That is my concern. 10 hour 3 days get a ton of hate but a trip that starts at 00:01 and ends at 23:44 the same day sound way worse IMO. Or instead of our standard 10 hr 3 day as it is now we are adding victory laps on the beginning or end of trips so the company can get their $$ worth out of us.
We had niether and got duty last round. That and tafb went from 1-3.75 to 1-3.5 to align with everyone else.
03-10-2026 | 11:51 AM
#2384
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While I am sure they would LOVE to skirt the contract and push all of our pairings to departures like that with 12:01am shows, we also have to think of airport slots, gate slots, and when PEOPLE will actually want to fly. This together means that we will likely not see a bunch of increases in 1am departures.
But, imo,
yes, min daily of 5:15 ALONG with a duty rig of 4.8 or 5. Which would equal about an avg of 5:15 daily.
03-10-2026 | 12:05 PM
#2385
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While technically, yes, it would be possible. We are talking about pushing back flights to 1:01am departures....
While I am sure they would LOVE to skirt the contract and push all of our pairings to departures like that with 12:01am shows, we also have to think of airport slots, gate slots, and when PEOPLE will actually want to fly. This together means that we will likely not see a bunch of increases in 1am departures.
But, imo,
yes, min daily of 5:15 ALONG with a duty rig of 4.8 or 5. Which would equal about an avg of 5:15 daily.
While I am sure they would LOVE to skirt the contract and push all of our pairings to departures like that with 12:01am shows, we also have to think of airport slots, gate slots, and when PEOPLE will actually want to fly. This together means that we will likely not see a bunch of increases in 1am departures.
But, imo,
yes, min daily of 5:15 ALONG with a duty rig of 4.8 or 5. Which would equal about an avg of 5:15 daily.
03-10-2026 | 08:21 PM
#2386
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While technically, yes, it would be possible. We are talking about pushing back flights to 1:01am departures....
While I am sure they would LOVE to skirt the contract and push all of our pairings to departures like that with 12:01am shows, we also have to think of airport slots, gate slots, and when PEOPLE will actually want to fly. This together means that we will likely not see a bunch of increases in 1am departures.
But, imo,
yes, min daily of 5:15 ALONG with a duty rig of 4.8 or 5. Which would equal about an avg of 5:15 daily.
While I am sure they would LOVE to skirt the contract and push all of our pairings to departures like that with 12:01am shows, we also have to think of airport slots, gate slots, and when PEOPLE will actually want to fly. This together means that we will likely not see a bunch of increases in 1am departures.
But, imo,
yes, min daily of 5:15 ALONG with a duty rig of 4.8 or 5. Which would equal about an avg of 5:15 daily.
03-10-2026 | 09:10 PM
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A trip that starts at 0001 and ends at 2344 would pay 10 under our current agreement and daily guarantee average would do nothing for. It’s why you need both calendar/daily and duty rigs. Two separate thoughts. Daily and duty. Both are needed.
We had niether and got duty last round. That and tafb went from 1-3.75 to 1-3.5 to align with everyone else.
We had niether and got duty last round. That and tafb went from 1-3.75 to 1-3.5 to align with everyone else.
03-10-2026 | 09:14 PM
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I was under the impression we weren’t asking for any holiday/redeye/321 overrides because we were more concerned about bringing the overall compensation number higher? I don’t know if that is still or even was our position but I disagreed with it.
03-11-2026 | 03:35 AM
#2389
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A redeye override and holiday pay are both in the proposal by the union.
03-11-2026 | 08:52 AM
#2390
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4 and 10 cover both Holiday pay and differential pay.
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