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Old 08-30-2016 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GoneSterile
Hahaha, what is wrong with you people? You get to fly AN AIRBUS for crying out loud! Touch a button and the plane lands. Bus drivers do more than you and get paid less. Be thankful for what you got. If people knew how easy it really was, you'd make way less. What gives you the right to ask for more than that? You are worth what the labor market determines you are worth.
Perfectly spoken from someone who has never done it. Flying an Airbus isn't like some earth shattering experience that changes you forever. It's a damn airplane man. Just a little bigger with more cockpit space, but not really any faster or more airworthy than any CRJ, but to say all you do is press a button?? You sound like a neophyte. The rest of your comments are too asinine to even acknowledge.
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Old 08-30-2016 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by motorboatin
I'm sorry to say, but you are 100% wrong about JP not being at the table. Read the updates. He's been on the mgmt side at least a couple of times. I'm not quite sure I understand the chairman comment..Care to expand upon that thought?
Perhaps I am mistaken. I have read all the NC updates and I don't recall seeing him being there, but I could be wrong. That being said, I still don't think he has much if any actual sway in the process. And I don't think he does the job for fun. It's not a fun job. Not even close.

My comment on our Chairman was referring to Franke. He is the guy who doesn't give a rat about us getting our pay. I'd blame him way before JP
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Old 08-30-2016 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Perhaps I am mistaken. I have read all the NC updates and I don't recall seeing him being there, but I could be wrong. That being said, I still don't think he has much if any actual sway in the process. And I don't think he does the job for fun. It's not a fun job. Not even close.

My comment on our Chairman was referring to Franke. He is the guy who doesn't give a rat about us getting our pay. I'd blame him way before JP
Gotcha, agree 100% about Franke. That dude could care less about any of the people caught in the wake of his greed machine. However, that's the name of the game in private equity.
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Old 08-30-2016 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Perhaps I am mistaken. I have read all the NC updates and I don't recall seeing him being there, but I could be wrong. That being said, I still don't think he has much if any actual sway in the process. And I don't think he does the job for fun. It's not a fun job. Not even close.

My comment on our Chairman was referring to Franke. He is the guy who doesn't give a rat about us getting our pay. I'd blame him way before JP
I should have elaborated a little more on his involvement, I have no idea if he attends meetings or not but I have asked him about negotiations. His answer was basically that he has no dog in that fight and it happens when it happens. Sounds like a scripted management response to me. I understand being a CP is not an easy nor fun job, but I have had the opportunity to work for some good ones in the past. They know how to wear both hats, the pilot group side and management side when needed. Unfortunately ours is extremely one sided.
Additionally taking big bonuses is also a kick in the nads to the group. Again I understand its a perk that comes with the position, I get it.
However this one is for all the wrong reasons and done with the sweat off the brows of the pilot group here.
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Old 08-30-2016 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by singlepilot
I should have elaborated a little more on his involvement, I have no idea if he attends meetings or not but I have asked him about negotiations. His answer was basically that he has no dog in that fight and it happens when it happens. Sounds like a scripted management response to me. I understand being a CP is not an easy nor fun job, but I have had the opportunity to work for some good ones in the past. They know how to wear both hats, the pilot group side and management side when needed. Unfortunately ours is extremely one sided.
Additionally taking big bonuses is also a kick in the nads to the group. Again I understand its a perk that comes with the position, I get it.
However this one is for all the wrong reasons and done with the sweat off the brows of the pilot group here.
Fair enough.
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Old 08-31-2016 | 04:41 AM
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Has anyone seen the proposed SWA contact?
Single SWA CA flying 140 pax makes more than entire A320 flight crew (CA+FO+4FAs). Somehow the economic conditions do not allow us to get a raise. The only positive I see for us is that it will help the negotiation process down the road.
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Old 08-31-2016 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GoneSterile
Hahaha, what is wrong with you people? You get to fly AN AIRBUS for crying out loud! Touch a button and the plane lands. Bus drivers do more than you and get paid less. Be thankful for what you got. If people knew how easy it really was, you'd make way less. What gives you the right to ask for more than that? You are worth what the labor market determines you are worth.
What's wrong with YOU? With that attitude and the nonsense you spew in your "videos," I hope you never work for Frontier, ever. Then again you've taken care of that by working at 3 different regionals in what I assume is less than 3 years.

Have some self respect for your profession, man. While you think it is "easy," and in many respects it isn't a difficult job, you've put in thousands of hours and several years of training in order to pilot an airliner. Since you are so familiar with the labor market, I'm sure you see what other make to fly similar equipment. Most of us have families and don't live with our mothers and bum around the country visiting all of our cousins. This is a professional job, not a flying club.

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Old 08-31-2016 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlexSRS
What's wrong with YOU? With that attitude and the nonsense you spew in your "videos," I hope you never work for Frontier, ever. Then again you've taken care of that by working at 3 different regionals in what I assume is less than 3 years.

Have some self respect for your profession, man. While you think it is "easy," and in many respects it isn't a difficult job, you've put in thousands of hours and several years of training in order to pilot an airliner. Since you are so familiar with the labor market, I'm sure you see what other make to fly similar equipment. Most of us have families and don't live with our mothers and bum around the country visiting all of our cousins. This is a professional job, not a flying club.
Luckily he has "gone sterile" so there won't be any little sterile's following along some day.... end of the line.
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Old 08-31-2016 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlexSRS
What's wrong with YOU? With that attitude and the nonsense you spew in your "videos," I hope you never work for Frontier, ever. Then again you've taken care of that by working at 3 different regionals in what I assume is less than 3 years.

Have some self respect for your profession, man. While you think it is "easy," and in many respects it isn't a difficult job, you've put in thousands of hours and several years of training in order to pilot an airliner. Since you are so familiar with the labor market, I'm sure you see what other make to fly similar equipment. Most of us have families and don't live with our mothers and bum around the country visiting all of our cousins. This is a professional job, not a flying club.
Agreed. GoneSterile is the same guy that posted those disturbing youtube vids and then took them down once discovered by someone here on APC. His disturbing videos question if he should be flying (German Wings Andreas Lubitz). I ran into this guy at XJT before he went to Mesa.

He will never be on my JS and I'll do everything within my power to make sure he never flies for F9.

Always look out for your fellow pilot and never cross the line.
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Old 08-31-2016 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SpankysLadder
Agreed. GoneSterile is the same guy that posted those disturbing youtube vids and then took them down once discovered by someone here on APC. His disturbing videos question if he should be flying (German Wings Andreas Lubitz). I ran into this guy at XJT before he went to Mesa.

He will never be on my JS and I'll do everything within my power to make sure he never flies for F9.

Always look out for your fellow pilot and never cross the line.
Nice work Spanky...exposing turds like Sterile is not a bad idea, as well as the mgmt trolls or mgmt wannabes that have been lurking here lately and interjecting nonsense. Maybe we've seen the bottom dweller capt from ORD??? ;-))
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