Frontier Hiring.
04-10-2017 | 07:11 PM
#7701
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Man I hate to say it but the DOT can say whatever they want and that's not going to win your/our case for Frontier to be considered a Major.
Go to any pilot puppy mill in Florida or Arizona; ask the CFIs and the students there (the ones that aren't going home to Asia to sit right seat in a 'bus) what their goals are. I'm willing to bet something like 9.5 out of 10 will tell you that they want to fly for a major airline. They all say "The Majors" as if they are somehow going to fly for all of them at the same time. Ask them what "The Majors" are... they'll say:
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Go to any pilot puppy mill in Florida or Arizona; ask the CFIs and the students there (the ones that aren't going home to Asia to sit right seat in a 'bus) what their goals are. I'm willing to bet something like 9.5 out of 10 will tell you that they want to fly for a major airline. They all say "The Majors" as if they are somehow going to fly for all of them at the same time. Ask them what "The Majors" are... they'll say:
{blah, blah, blah....my edit}
Do you even read this stuff before you click the Submit Reply button?
The word you and your CFI candidate buddies are looking for is LEGACY. Frontier is not a Legacy carrier.
You and your buddies can now go back to debating whether the Coriolis Force makes toilet water spin in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. Carry on.
04-10-2017 | 08:14 PM
#7702
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From: 4A2FU
Do you even read this stuff before you click the Submit Reply button?
The word you and your CFI candidate buddies are looking for is LEGACY. Frontier is not a Legacy carrier.
You and your buddies can now go back to debating whether the Coriolis Force makes toilet water spin in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. Carry on.
You and your buddies can now go back to debating whether the Coriolis Force makes toilet water spin in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. Carry on.
If you want to call Frontier a "Major", then by your own argument(s) you have to call SkyWest a "Major" too. So by following your logic pathways, maybe FAPA should just throw in the towel, copy/paste the SkyWest Student Council's pilot "agreement" and close up shop immediately.
We can keep arguing about this and you can keep being angry about not being employed at a desireable airline to work, or we can unite and actually try to move forward and elevate everyone here.
04-10-2017 | 08:22 PM
#7704
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From: 4A2FU
Forgive me for the hardlining, it's incredibly frustrating talking to people and seeing posts on here, all saying "we need to give concessions to get a pay raise" when that is not at all the truth or anywhere close. "Major" airline pilots don't give concessions to get industry standard wages. That can get under your skin. So many people new-ish to the game that are willing to give up QOL just to get a quick pay bump that will just disappear next bankruptcy cycle.
Last edited by threeighteen; 04-10-2017 at 08:56 PM.
04-11-2017 | 12:43 AM
#7705
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I think that's what is used on APC. "Major-National-LCC" is all lumped into one category.
Forgive me for the hardlining, it's incredibly frustrating talking to people and seeing posts on here, all saying "we need to give concessions to get a pay raise" when that is not at all the truth or anywhere close. "Major" airline pilots don't give concessions to get industry standard wages. That can get under your skin. So many people new-ish to the game that are willing to give up QOL just to get a quick pay bump that will just disappear next bankruptcy cycle.
Forgive me for the hardlining, it's incredibly frustrating talking to people and seeing posts on here, all saying "we need to give concessions to get a pay raise" when that is not at all the truth or anywhere close. "Major" airline pilots don't give concessions to get industry standard wages. That can get under your skin. So many people new-ish to the game that are willing to give up QOL just to get a quick pay bump that will just disappear next bankruptcy cycle.
Your definition of "majors" have given concessions for decades. Back and forth. Save me the dribble. Guess you weren't around when Spirit was paid higher than the "majors".
Your instructors calling better head back into class.
04-11-2017 | 04:38 AM
#7706
Hold my beer, watch this.
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From: Airbus Pilot
Frontier is not a Major, it's a ULCC, a ULCC that is a year or two away from having to hire CFIs at 1500hrs which may or may not be avoidable, but unless the Frontier Pilot group holds the line and turns down any and every offer that isn't better than a Major airline's contract, you can almost certainly guarantee that 1500hr CFIs will be sitting right seat in the 'bus and Frontier will be just another stepping-stone airline by the end of the decade. 
Use to be easy and just say a major and people understood it wasn't a regional.
I will call all of them a "big airplane airline" then...
You get my point.
Last edited by wt93205; 04-11-2017 at 04:48 AM.
04-11-2017 | 05:47 AM
#7707
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From: A320 Captain
Okie dokie. So the Department of Transportation is not a credible source, but you think a bunch of teenagers studying to be a pilot ARE credible?
Do you even read this stuff before you click the Submit Reply button?
The word you and your CFI candidate buddies are looking for is LEGACY. Frontier is not a Legacy carrier.
You and your buddies can now go back to debating whether the Coriolis Force makes toilet water spin in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. Carry on.
Do you even read this stuff before you click the Submit Reply button?
The word you and your CFI candidate buddies are looking for is LEGACY. Frontier is not a Legacy carrier.
You and your buddies can now go back to debating whether the Coriolis Force makes toilet water spin in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. Carry on.
Brilliant OpenClimb!
04-11-2017 | 06:20 AM
#7708
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From: Zee Airboos
Really???? Who gives a crap????
Side note back to hiring. Had an eye opening conversation with a regional pilot yesterday. The discussion of hiring came up and I asked if he applied to F9. (He lives in DEN) Come to find out that our HR department and their mass rejection blast emails create some butt hurt. This guy got a "bad vibe" from his letter and therefore refuses to reapply. According to him, he exceeds all the mins, but would rather stay at his regional and commute than apply at F9 again. Our contract sucks and our pay sucks. His words. I agree with him in the fact if you take a snapshot of today, he is correct. But it will not be that way forever.
Side note back to hiring. Had an eye opening conversation with a regional pilot yesterday. The discussion of hiring came up and I asked if he applied to F9. (He lives in DEN) Come to find out that our HR department and their mass rejection blast emails create some butt hurt. This guy got a "bad vibe" from his letter and therefore refuses to reapply. According to him, he exceeds all the mins, but would rather stay at his regional and commute than apply at F9 again. Our contract sucks and our pay sucks. His words. I agree with him in the fact if you take a snapshot of today, he is correct. But it will not be that way forever.
04-11-2017 | 07:36 AM
#7709
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Frontier has been a stepping stone airline for at least 5 years now. The fact that we fly the 321 for such dog food rates confirms it.
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