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Old 05-02-2018 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Wow.

Someone please teach the children today about the history of their industry and the battles that were fought by others before them to have the industry they whine about today.
Wasn’t trying to whine. Not sure how I gave that impression.

The question was more so for hisher specific experience. I’m well aware of the history of airline industry...

But thanks for your input. It’s clear that if you misinterpreted my words to the extent you did, Im sure others did as well.
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Old 05-02-2018 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
Wasn’t trying to whine. Not sure how I gave that impression.

The question was more so for hisher specific experience. I’m well aware of the history of airline industry...

But thanks for your input. It’s clear that if you misinterpreted my words to the extent you did, Im sure others did as well.
Sorry. Wasn't personally attacking you, just millennials in general. and yes, I hear an awful lot of whining today about things we would have loved to be able to whine about 20 years ago, flying wreck turboprops 10 legs a day with hardly functioning AC and 5 deferrals, no autopilot

Comair, 89 day strike in 2000. First regional to walk and first ever strike against delta air, who owned us at the time. And they never forgave us. We took a bullet to create the regional industry you know today and where most of the youngsters launched their career. Before us, it was second and third tier "commuter pilots" in tiny turboprop "puddle jumper" planes who were paid pennies on the dollar compared to mainline. We were treated like the farm leagues. We stood up and said No, we are a REAL airline" and will be compensated and respected accordingly. The heyday of the regionals followed.

So yes, it bothers me a little when jet kids (pilots who basically grew up in a jet, straight out of flight school) have no frame of reference for those of us back in the day who fought for what they enjoyed in their career. We paved that path. Again, not attacking you personally, just an old geezer speaking in general (ranting).
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Old 05-02-2018 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Sorry. Wasn't personally attacking you, just millennials in general. and yes, I hear an awful lot of whining today about things we would have loved to be able to whine about 20 years ago, flying wreck turboprops 10 legs a day with hardly functioning AC and 5 deferrals, no autopilot

Comair, 89 day strike in 2000. First regional to walk and first ever strike against delta air, who owned us at the time. And they never forgave us. We took a bullet to create the regional industry you know today and where most of the youngsters launched their career. Before us, it was second and third tier "commuter pilots" in tiny turboprop "puddle jumper" planes who were paid pennies on the dollar compared to mainline. We were treated like the farm leagues. We stood up and said No, we are a REAL airline" and will be compensated and respected accordingly. The heyday of the regionals followed.

So yes, it bothers me a little when jet kids (pilots who basically grew up in a jet, straight out of flight school) have no frame of reference for those of us back in the day who fought for what they enjoyed in their career. We paved that path. Again, not attacking you personally, just an old geezer speaking in general (ranting).
Are some young guys that way, yes.

It just sucks that you seem to have a predisposition about all millennials, and any young guy that flies with you has to fight this stereotype you assume them to be first before you give them respect.

Some have had it easier, some have had it harder, back in the 80's guys were getting hired at mainline carriers in their mid 20's. That isn't happening today at the rate it was then, not yet anyway. Its a cyclical career and industry. Some just get lucky to be born at the right time to ride that wave. We all do appreciate that changes those stuck between the waves made to create a better industry.
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Old 05-02-2018 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Sorry. Wasn't personally attacking you, just millennials in general. and yes, I hear an awful lot of whining today about things we would have loved to be able to whine about 20 years ago, flying wreck turboprops 10 legs a day with hardly functioning AC and 5 deferrals, no autopilot

Comair, 89 day strike in 2000. First regional to walk and first ever strike against delta air, who owned us at the time. And they never forgave us. We took a bullet to create the regional industry you know today and where most of the youngsters launched their career. Before us, it was second and third tier "commuter pilots" in tiny turboprop "puddle jumper" planes who were paid pennies on the dollar compared to mainline. We were treated like the farm leagues. We stood up and said No, we are a REAL airline" and will be compensated and respected accordingly. The heyday of the regionals followed.

So yes, it bothers me a little when jet kids (pilots who basically grew up in a jet, straight out of flight school) have no frame of reference for those of us back in the day who fought for what they enjoyed in their career. We paved that path. Again, not attacking you personally, just an old geezer speaking in general (ranting).
Good words.

I'm in my 40s and by no means a millennial but didn't know about that particular strike.

But, I'm glad I asked as your point is a good one wrt the change it brought about. Despite what happened to Comair later - which was a shame - it did bring about prosperity in other forms.

Seemingly, labor strikes often do.
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Old 05-02-2018 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Sorry. Wasn't personally attacking you, just millennials in general. and yes, I hear an awful lot of whining today about things we would have loved to be able to whine about 20 years ago, flying wreck turboprops 10 legs a day with hardly functioning AC and 5 deferrals, no autopilot

Comair, 89 day strike in 2000. First regional to walk and first ever strike against delta air, who owned us at the time. And they never forgave us. We took a bullet to create the regional industry you know today and where most of the youngsters launched their career. Before us, it was second and third tier "commuter pilots" in tiny turboprop "puddle jumper" planes who were paid pennies on the dollar compared to mainline. We were treated like the farm leagues. We stood up and said No, we are a REAL airline" and will be compensated and respected accordingly. The heyday of the regionals followed.

So yes, it bothers me a little when jet kids (pilots who basically grew up in a jet, straight out of flight school) have no frame of reference for those of us back in the day who fought for what they enjoyed in their career. We paved that path. Again, not attacking you personally, just an old geezer speaking in general (ranting).
I got a section 13 at my previous scummy operator for taking a 14 min. delay to get 5 Comair guys on my plane to picket! Ahh the good old(new)days.... Nothing better than potentially watching you future career at a major go up in smoke over that issue. The CEO of our crappy regional PERSONALLY got involved in trying to fire me for “sabotaging the operation, creating a hostile work environment and illegally participating in an illegal work action”. I got saved but it was almost worth it knowing I nearly caused the guy to have a heart attack. We remember! Thanks for walking the line...
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Old 05-03-2018 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DC7C
I got a section 13 at my previous scummy operator for taking a 14 min. delay to get 5 Comair guys on my plane to picket! Ahh the good old(new)days.... Nothing better than potentially watching you future career at a major go up in smoke over that issue. The CEO of our crappy regional PERSONALLY got involved in trying to fire me for “sabotaging the operation, creating a hostile work environment and illegally participating in an illegal work action”. I got saved but it was almost worth it knowing I nearly caused the guy to have a heart attack. We remember! Thanks for walking the line...
Thanks for your support. Someone had to stand up in that era and say enough was enough. I guess it was just our turn. But rest assured, as we walked that line, we also knew we had torched our careers. And it was still worth it.
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Old 05-04-2018 | 08:36 AM
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Any tips for the interview process ? Cheers.
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Old 05-04-2018 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ALI G Mmmm
Any tips for the interview process ? Cheers.
Honesty is always the best policy!

Just tell them that the only reason you have even applied to this bottom of the barrel, low-tiered, **** hole airline is because none of the legacies have called yet.

As soon as one does, you will be gone.

Cheers!
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Old 05-05-2018 | 05:46 AM
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I would like to second ALI's request on information regarding Frontiers interview process. Im interviewing May 22nd. Thanks for the info ahead of time. Cheers!
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Old 05-05-2018 | 06:17 AM
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The information provided on aviationinterviews.com is very accurate. About $20/month, but it was the most valuable prep tool I used for my interview. Good luck!
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