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Old 07-09-2018, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by InThisTogether View Post
I dont think they'll have trouble getting guys. I was on a commute the other day. Sitting in the jumpseat on the ERJ175. Both the SkyWest Captain (2006 DOH) and FO (not sure how long he'd been at SkyWest) accepted the job at F9 and seemed really excited.
I feel bad for them because that wears off REAL quick. Too soon your waiting and waiting and waiting only for things to keep getting worse. One setback after another (via a lack of progress) while the company puts one bad-faith step in front of the other towards this pilot group. And the union is totally neutered and useless because the process with the NMB is so illegitimate and rigged. The operation was already a wreck and now the company is sabotaging it purposefully and getting malicious against individual pilots.

All this, your hotel bill, and $1,100 every two weeks. No thanks if I had it to do all over again.

Hopefully they've got time to reconsider.
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:03 AM
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I've been contemplating applying, but honestly I can't justify the pay. That and the absurdity of no paid hotels in training. I think Delta doesn't pay for a portion of hotel's during training, but do I even have to make an argument about it? I wish you guys the best of luck and mainly for a contract sooner than later. Until then I'll stay on the sidelines.
This. I went ACMI at 1st year rate of $113 ph rather than go to F9, pay for my own hotel, jumpseat commute to a crashpad, and all for poverty wages at an obviously toxic environment with management.

Here I’m home based, positive spaced to my trips and I keep the airline award miles. No crashpads ever. We keep hotel points at most hotels. Paid hotels in training. Decent pay in training. Full pay after type/PC, not after IOE like other places. Crew meals (typically steak, salmon)... 12 year CA pay now $20 ph more than United on same equipment. Scheduling treats you like a professional. Flying a heavy with international experience. Typing this on my 4 day layover in Honolulu. Can’t even imagine what I was thinking when I looked into going to F9.
Way too many better options for pilots these days.
The longer it takes the deeper into the shortage it goes and the better your eventual contract should be. I know our joint wished they hadn’t hard balled the pilots two years ago... they’d kill today for what was being asked for back then. Two years later, highest 1st year pay in 121 industry.

Stand strong guys, you’ll win in the end
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
This. I went ACMI at 1st year rate of $113 ph rather than go to F9, pay for my own hotel, jumpseat commute to a crashpad, and all for poverty wages at an obviously toxic environment with management.

Here I’m home based, positive spaced to my trips and I keep the airline award miles. No crashpads ever. We keep hotel points at most hotels. Paid hotels in training. Decent pay in training. Full pay after type/PC, not after IOE like other places. Crew meals (typically steak, salmon)... 12 year CA pay now $20 ph more than United on same equipment. Scheduling treats you like a professional. Flying a heavy with international experience. Typing this on my 4 day layover in Honolulu. Can’t even imagine what I was thinking when I looked into going to F9.
Way too many better options for pilots these days.
The longer it takes the deeper into the shortage it goes and the better your eventual contract should be. I know our joint wished they hadn’t hard balled the pilots two years ago... they’d kill today for what was being asked for back then. Two years later, highest 1st year pay in 121 industry.

Stand strong guys, you’ll win in the end
Glad it worked out for you. Yes we will get a contract, it will happen. Enjoy your 4 days in HNL, just curious what do you do for the other 12-14 days on your trip? Man, I can barely handle a 4 day. Ha ha
Yes right now sucks at F9, but I don’t fault anybody for coming here. If you come please don’t pay for a hotel during training....I’m not sure who in the right mind would do this. Plenty of quality and quiet crashpads close to the training center for 250-450. Yes, manamgent and the pay is rough right now....but those things change. Spirit sucked 3-5 years ago. Those guys who went are now decently senior captains making well over 200k, with great retirement. Who knows what will happen to F9. Is it a risk....somewhat. Will it pay off? I think so.
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Old 07-09-2018, 05:59 PM
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Don’t believe their bull****.

Management is a bunch of liars! They are purposely driving the operation off a cliff, so they can blame it on pilots. The operation is an embarrassment. Management is taking August vacations, as a petty retaliation for the cancellation of LOA 65. Currently First Officer reserve is long. The proposed delivery schedule is fiction. We are nowhere near a contract or a release by the NMB. The quality of life of line holders is eroding.
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dinosaur View Post
Don’t believe their bull****.

Management is a bunch of liars! They are purposely driving the operation off a cliff, so they can blame it on pilots. The operation is an embarrassment. Management is taking August vacations, as a petty retaliation for the cancellation of LOA 65. Currently First Officer reserve is long. The proposed delivery schedule is fiction. We are nowhere near a contract or a release by the NMB. The quality of life of line holders is eroding.
I'm mostly impressed your screen name was still available on APC in the year 2018. Nice!
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dinosaur View Post
Don’t believe their bull****.

Management is a bunch of liars! They are purposely driving the operation off a cliff, so they can blame it on pilots. The operation is an embarrassment. Management is taking August vacations, as a petty retaliation for the cancellation of LOA 65. Currently First Officer reserve is long. The proposed delivery schedule is fiction. We are nowhere near a contract or a release by the NMB. The quality of life of line holders is eroding.
I guess are those new airplanes I see on the ramp are fake too!!!
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SFA320 View Post
Glad it worked out for you. Yes we will get a contract, it will happen. Enjoy your 4 days in HNL, just curious what do you do for the other 12-14 days on your trip? Man, I can barely handle a 4 day. Ha ha
Yes right now sucks at F9, but I don’t fault anybody for coming here. If you come please don’t pay for a hotel during training....I’m not sure who in the right mind would do this. Plenty of quality and quiet crashpads close to the training center for 250-450. Yes, manamgent and the pay is rough right now....but those things change. Spirit sucked 3-5 years ago. Those guys who went are now decently senior captains making well over 200k, with great retirement. Who knows what will happen to F9. Is it a risk....somewhat. Will it pay off? I think so.
I’ve flown 1 leg in the past 9 days. Did 4 days in Atlanta, 3 days in Shreveport, and now I’m in HNL for 4 days. Then I go to Denver for 4 days. Just long call in those cities in case they needed me. Last day is commute home.

Honestly, once you get used to blocks of 8 days or even 16 straight you’ll never want to go back to 4 blocks of 4 day trips. Too much time spent on your own time jumpseating to crashpads, and not enough time off at home to really go do anything.

You guys just need to stand strong and stay united. The shortage is on you’re side. The longer it takes the more pressure they’ll end up under to give you a leading contract. I think you guys will end up being a great place to work once your contract is resolved.

The point being, even the ACMI’s have turned into real jobs. You guys are in a good position. F9 will be another Spirit/JetBlue pretty soon I’d say.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320 View Post
I guess are those new airplanes I see on the ramp are fake too!!!
Just so we're clear, you're indirectly defending coming to work for Frontier? Like it's not an embarrassment what those new airplanes are being operated for? You're defending working at a place where Airbus pilots with YEARS of experience in type, in the right seat, aren't even close to being guaranteed 80k a year? It confounds the mind. Is it a defense mechanism against realizing what an industry sucking hole you work for?
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320 View Post
I guess are those new airplanes I see on the ramp are fake too!!!
They are telling new hires (potential new hires) that we will have 89 aircraft on property by December 31. The fact is we have less aircraft on property now (76) than we did in March-April(80). We do have new aircraft on the ramp, but old ones are going away at about the same rate we receive new ones. We do not have the Pilots to add 13 new airplanes in less than six months. They are also telling potential new hires that we will have over a 100 aircraft by the end of next year.

With all due respect to you, every aircraft I flew this week was not provisioned(no water, coffee, drinks). How are these clowns going to manage to add 24 aircraft in less than 18 months.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by V1 McFlyerson View Post
Just so we're clear, you're indirectly defending coming to work for Frontier? Like it's not an embarrassment what those new airplanes are being operated for? You're defending working at a place where Airbus pilots with YEARS of experience in type, in the right seat, aren't even close to being guaranteed 80k a year? It confounds the mind. Is it a defense mechanism against realizing what an industry sucking hole you work for?
Easy V1. I was simply calling out another first time poster who appeared to be trolling. There has been a lot of those lately. I’ve explained how I feel about those choosing to come here in more than one post.
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