Climategate--The Final Chapter
02-13-2012, 05:47 AM
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N2264J,
You just love avoiding questions you can't answer huh? Says a lot about the validity of your argument when you can't give answers to just a few easy questions.
You just love avoiding questions you can't answer huh? Says a lot about the validity of your argument when you can't give answers to just a few easy questions.
02-13-2012, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
Wolf? Crow?
This is from the article you posted. The ice is still melting - just not at elevation.
The snafu Fox is trying to make hay out of (that is: Himalayan glaciers gone by 2035) was quickly debunked and corrected within the scientific community two years ago. Peer review works.
How Fast Are Himalayan Glaciers Melting? : Scientific American Podcast
^^For those of you with an aversion to reading, click on the MP3 and Dave will read it to you.
This is from the article you posted. The ice is still melting - just not at elevation.
The snafu Fox is trying to make hay out of (that is: Himalayan glaciers gone by 2035) was quickly debunked and corrected within the scientific community two years ago. Peer review works.
How Fast Are Himalayan Glaciers Melting? : Scientific American Podcast
^^For those of you with an aversion to reading, click on the MP3 and Dave will read it to you.
Mark Twain said that a lie gets half way around the world before the truth gets its shoes on. I'd work that in here if I had time.
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02-13-2012, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
Wolf? Crow?
This is from the article you posted. The ice is still melting - just not at elevation.
The snafu Fox is trying to make hay out of (that is: Himalayan glaciers gone by 2035) was quickly debunked and corrected within the scientific community two years ago. Peer review works.
How Fast Are Himalayan Glaciers Melting? : Scientific American Podcast
^^For those of you with an aversion to reading, click on the MP3 and Dave will read it to you.
This is from the article you posted. The ice is still melting - just not at elevation.
The snafu Fox is trying to make hay out of (that is: Himalayan glaciers gone by 2035) was quickly debunked and corrected within the scientific community two years ago. Peer review works.
How Fast Are Himalayan Glaciers Melting? : Scientific American Podcast
^^For those of you with an aversion to reading, click on the MP3 and Dave will read it to you.
02-14-2012, 09:39 AM
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Dooh
Why Electric Cars Are Worse for Your Health than Gas-Powered Cars
1st ethanol and now electric cars, the dogooders are determined to destroy the environment.
Why Electric Cars Are Worse for Your Health than Gas-Powered Cars
1st ethanol and now electric cars, the dogooders are determined to destroy the environment.
02-14-2012, 01:05 PM
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Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Dooh...1st ethanol and now electric cars, the dogooders are determined to destroy the environment.
Details of the plan are already leaking to the press, and thus far, it looks like the biggest story will be solar. According to the latest leaks in the Chinese media, the new renewable energy plan will raise solar targets to unprecedented levels: 10 GW of installed solar capacity by 2015, including 9 GW from photovoltaic installations and 1 GW from solar thermal electric power generation, and 50 GW total installed capacity by 2020...a capacity expansion of over 1,000 percent during the 2011-2015 five-year plan period...
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
02-14-2012, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
What Time fails to mention is that the electric vehicle is only one component of a sustainable system. If you're charging you car from solar panels on the roof, you get closer to achieving Tao. And if you've read the Tao, you begin to understand why the Chinese have been around for 8,000 years and our society probably won't last another 200.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
How much of the energy from the peice of coal that gets burned makes it to the wheels of your hypothetical electric car? That is the question. Tao out.
02-14-2012, 02:38 PM
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N2264J,
For about the 5th time, answer these questions that jungle has asked many times. Every time you avoid answering them, my guess is because you don't have answers. So, let's try one more time.
1. Why are Mann, Jones and others hiding data, falsifying data, and presenting false conclusions?
2. What is the correct temperature for the Earth?
3. What percentage of climate change in the past was caused by man, and what percentage by natural cycles?
4.What effect would the UN proposals or cap and trade have on the climate?
What are the costs/benefits of these proposals?
(Every time you avoid these questions I will re-post them until you give us answers. And every time you avoid them your validity goes a little further down the drain.)
For about the 5th time, answer these questions that jungle has asked many times. Every time you avoid answering them, my guess is because you don't have answers. So, let's try one more time.
1. Why are Mann, Jones and others hiding data, falsifying data, and presenting false conclusions?
2. What is the correct temperature for the Earth?
3. What percentage of climate change in the past was caused by man, and what percentage by natural cycles?
4.What effect would the UN proposals or cap and trade have on the climate?
What are the costs/benefits of these proposals?
(Every time you avoid these questions I will re-post them until you give us answers. And every time you avoid them your validity goes a little further down the drain.)
02-15-2012, 05:47 AM
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on Taoism
Originally Posted by N2264J
What Time fails to mention is that the electric vehicle is only one component of a sustainable system. If you're charging you car from solar panels on the roof, you get closer to achieving Tao. And if you've read the Tao, you begin to understand why the Chinese have been around for 8,000 years and our society probably won't last another 200.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
"It is always through not meddling that the empire is won. Should you meddle, then you are not equal to the task of winning the empire." (Lao Tzu)
"I [the sage] am not meddlesome and the people prosper of themselves" (Lao Tzu)
Modern environmentalists have much to learn from Taoism. It has been said that Lao Tzu was the first libertarian intellectual. May you learn much.
WW
02-15-2012, 05:50 AM
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Kyoto
Originally Posted by N2264J
What Time fails to mention is that the electric vehicle is only one component of a sustainable system. If you're charging you car from solar panels on the roof, you get closer to achieving Tao. And if you've read the Tao, you begin to understand why the Chinese have been around for 8,000 years and our society probably won't last another 200.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
WW
02-15-2012, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
What Time fails to mention is that the electric vehicle is only one component of a sustainable system. If you're charging you car from solar panels on the roof, you get closer to achieving Tao. And if you've read the Tao, you begin to understand why the Chinese have been around for 8,000 years and our society probably won't last another 200.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress
Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.
We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!
In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
If you like electric cars, go for it. But I don't want one and I don't want to pay for yours.
WW
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