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Old 02-15-2012 | 06:06 AM
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What Time fails to mention is that the electric vehicle is only one component of a sustainable system. If you're charging you car from solar panels on the roof, you get closer to achieving Tao. And if you've read the Tao, you begin to understand why the Chinese have been around for 8,000 years and our society probably won't last another 200.



China's New Plan for Solar Power Supremacy | ThinkProgress

Everyone was poo-pooing the Kyoto protocol a couple years ago because "if China doesn't comply why bother?" Today, China is poised to beat us in green energy manufacturing game while we wring our pitiful hands about Solyndra and double digit unemployment numbers.

We are about to be taken to school on supply and demand by the Communist Chinese. Welcome to the 21st century, pikers!

In a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, only about 15% - 20% of the energy expended gets to the wheels. In an electric vehicle, over 90% of the energy makes it
to the wheels. That is so totally Tao.
The noteworthy supply and demand issue here is that the government must bribe people (with tax money it confiscates from me) to purchase electric cars, solar panels, etc. It taxes conventional energy use (gasoline, etc.) and, generally, demand is still for ICE.

The generating capacity that the Chinese have built, are building, and will build in coal fired plants dwarfs the capacity you've pointed to in solar.

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Old 02-15-2012 | 06:10 AM
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N2264J,what are your thoughts in regards to the Industrial Revolution ?
Perhaps it's just me but I,ve thought for the longest time that the human race schould be farther along than where it is at this point in time and unfortunately there are those who for reasons known only to them take personal satisfaction in the regression of mankind.
Our are lives that much easier than our grandparents that we constantly have to live in a state of drama ?
Do you think an individual who is breathing their last is thinking about the environment or about how much of their life was wasted by not living to their full potential ?
I know the last line is a bit deep but it's sad how much time people waste in their life.

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Old 02-15-2012 | 10:32 AM
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I think that this article sums everything up nicely: Global Warming… no Global Cooling… no Global Warming…NO, IT’S COOLING!!

I could discuss solar cycles and the work of Ka-Kit Tung (among others) but why bother explaining the warming and cooling of the earth based on the sun when we can blame natural temperature variations on man? Especially when there is so much money to be made by preaching this false message to customers of PT Barnum.

Global warming advocates have ignored the impact of urban heat islands on temperature readings. Unfortunately for them, worldwide construction has declined significantly so that the impact of urban heat islands has lessened over the last 5 years and we will likely not see construction activity expand significantly for the next decade.

The global warming advocates also ignore the earth's natural feedback loop. Increased CO2 causes plants to grow faster. These plants convert CO2 and H2O into glucose and O2.


There was a reason why these charlatans changed their tune from global warming to climate change. Now that it's 'climate change', they can blame natural global warming and cooling on man. So when temperatures drop due to a lack of solar flares, they can blame this on man and greenhouse gases. I applaud these con men; they have been able to bezzle billions from the unwitting public.
Old 02-15-2012 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I think that this article sums everything up nicely: Global Warming… no Global Cooling… no Global Warming…NO, IT’S COOLING!!

I could discuss solar cycles and the work of Ka-Kit Tung (among others) but why bother explaining the warming and cooling of the earth based on the sun when we can blame natural temperature variations on man? Especially when there is so much money to be made by preaching this false message to customers of PT Barnum.

Global warming advocates have ignored the impact of urban heat islands on temperature readings. Unfortunately for them, worldwide construction has declined significantly so that the impact of urban heat islands has lessened over the last 5 years and we will likely not see construction activity expand significantly for the next decade.

The global warming advocates also ignore the earth's natural feedback loop. Increased CO2 causes plants to grow faster. These plants convert CO2 and H2O into glucose and O2.


There was a reason why these charlatans changed their tune from global warming to climate change. Now that it's 'climate change', they can blame natural global warming and cooling on man. So when temperatures drop due to a lack of solar flares, they can blame this on man and greenhouse gases. I applaud these con men; they have been able to bezzle billions from the unwitting public.
Yeah, I'm sure scientists don't want to be taken seriously and they just ignore heat islands and CO2 usage.
Old 02-15-2012 | 06:31 PM
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Yeah a scientist who makes his lively hood on grants to find global warming would never ignore data that didnt conform to the apporpriate finding. They arent corruptable like those slimey oil company scientists.
Old 02-15-2012 | 07:26 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure scientists don't want to be taken seriously and they just ignore heat islands and CO2 usage.
Do some research on heat islands and get back to us.

As for CO2 usage, one of the earliest models that took plant CO2 consumption into account was NASA in 2009 which stated that increased plant CO2 consumption would have a cooling effect on the planet. This was quickly followed by a highly flawed psyuntwific studee that stated increased plant CO2 consumption would increase global warming due to decreased evapotranspiration. Highly flawed because it did not take into account the amount of water available to plants; they left it at a constant for both a 'normal' O2/CO2 environment and an enriched CO2 environment. The flawed assumption is that there would be no excess water available to the plant - that it absorbs all available moisture in a normal O2/CO2 environment.
In a nutshell, the studee ensured that the plants in the enriched CO2 environment were deprived of the amount of water required for normal evapotranspiration to take place. This results in lower humidity.
Now here's the really funny kicker to all of this. Globull warming psyuntwists claim that increased atmospheric moisture cause higher global temperatures.
So depending on what globull psyuntwists want to prove, they'll claim completely opposite conditions result in global warming!

Here's the beauty of all of these studees. They're paid for with tax dollars. KaChing! That's right, they're funded with government grants. And you think that these psyuntwists are acting in an ethical manner? They're modern PT Barnums who are fleecing the taxpayers.
Old 02-16-2012 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Winged Wheeler
It has been said that Lao Tzu was the first libertarian intellectual.
Right. Was it you that said that?

-When one ponders the vein in a leaf, he fully comprehends the allegory about less government regulation.

-When one contemplates his body as pure energy condensed into matter, it's a metaphor about less taxes.

-Keeping black people and Mexicans out of your restaurant, because it's your establishment and you should have the freedom to make that decision, is the sound of one hand clapping.

Somalia - Libertarian Paradise:

REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION! - YouTube
Old 02-16-2012 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
Somalia - Libertarian Paradise:
Actually Somalia is the evolution of ultimate government powers competing for their own ends. There is no liberty, it has never been libertarian. Governments gone wild. As always, power is the only real goal, there has never been a revolution which happily handed over power.

I have been there, how about you?

Rather than wend our way around various topics unrelated to climate science, let us deal with a few practical and scientific questions:

1. Why are Mann, Jones and others hiding data, falsifying data, and presenting false conclusions?

2. What is the correct temperature for the Earth?

3. What percentage of climate change in the past was caused by man, and what percentage by natural cycles?

4.What effect would the UN proposals or cap and trade have on the climate?
What are the costs/benefits of these proposals?
Old 02-16-2012 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
Right. Was it you that said that?

-When one ponders the vein in a leaf, he fully comprehends the allegory about less government regulation.

-When one contemplates his body as pure energy condensed into matter, it's a metaphor about less taxes.

-Keeping black people and Mexicans out of your restaurant, because it's your establishment and you should have the freedom to make that decision, is the sound of one hand clapping.

Somalia - Libertarian Paradise:

REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION! - YouTube
As clear a concession of rhetorical defeat as I've ever read. You may keep your sword and your horse.

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Old 02-16-2012 | 07:18 AM
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I find it interesting that those who claim to hold science in high regard cannot show us any studies proving their point about heating or cooling.

The only large scale studies actually show no statistically significant warming in the last 15 years, perhaps this has something to do with almost no talk of real science, but much talk of completely unrelated issues.

There is certainly much chatter over what must be done about nothing. Most of it involves making money with nothing but hot air.

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