Climategate--The Final Chapter
02-24-2012, 11:30 AM
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Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter
Originally Posted by Zoot Suit
Gleick -- an internationally recognized hydroclimatologist and author of the respected annual report “The World’s Water” -- said he received an anonymous document in the mail that tipped him off to what he described as Heartland’s efforts to muddy public understanding of climate science and policy. He released the documents to expose their work “to cast doubt on climate science..."
The documents consist of climate policy statements, fundraising documents, board meeting notifications and even tax filings -- as well as a memo titled “Confidential Memo: 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy.” That memo, apparently the anonymous document that inspired Gleick to take action, describes plans to create an anti-global warming science campaign for grade schools that will “dissuad[e] teachers from teaching science."
The documents consist of climate policy statements, fundraising documents, board meeting notifications and even tax filings -- as well as a memo titled “Confidential Memo: 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy.” That memo, apparently the anonymous document that inspired Gleick to take action, describes plans to create an anti-global warming science campaign for grade schools that will “dissuad[e] teachers from teaching science."
02-24-2012, 11:37 AM
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Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter
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02-25-2012, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
You're going to blame a bad business decision by a local entrepreneur on the stimulus?
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02-27-2012, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
Unsurprisingly, Fox buries the lead:
The Volokh Conspiracy » Climategate Turnabout
Click on the links at the bottom of the story to see how a "legitimate" new organization like the NY times covers the weather.
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02-27-2012, 06:35 AM
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Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
What do you know the memo you quote is a fake and a fraud. Probably written by your fake and fraud gleick...
So regardless of your best efforts to make this about forgery, the real story here is a lobbying firm, masquerading as a think tank, trying to set a school curriculum and where their money comes from:
James M. Taylor, a senior fellow at the Heartland Institute, told ThinkProgress Green in an e-mail why the group is developing its denier curriculum:
In Heartland’s statement, it is acknowledged that that budget and donor information are genuine, and apologizes for the security breach.
Ironically, Heartland’s position seems to be that stealing electronic documents from right wing think tanks are viewed as a serious crime, while stealing emails from climate scientists and University labs are considered behavior to be lauded and encouraged...
We are concerned that schools are teaching climate change issues in a manner that is not consistent with sound science and that is designed to lead students to the erroneous belief that humans are causing a global warming crisis. We hope that our efforts will restore sound science to climate change education and discourage the political propaganda that too often passes as “education”.
Apologies: The Heartland Institute apologizes to the donors whose identities were revealed by this theft. We promise anonymity to many of our donors, and we realize that the major reason these documents were stolen and faked was to make it more difficult for donors to support our work. We also apologize to Heartland staff, directors, and our allies in the fight to bring sound science to the global warming debate, who have had their privacy violated and their integrity impugned.
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02-27-2012, 12:02 PM
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N2264J:
Did you slow down your breathing, stopped driving your car, or stopped using electricity?
No? Hypocrite??
Did you slow down your breathing, stopped driving your car, or stopped using electricity?
No? Hypocrite??
02-27-2012, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
I haven't quoted any memos other than what was reported by Fox Noise but there is some controversy about one of several documents that have surfaced. The controversy is that the Heartland Institute is asserting it's fake but doesn't dispute the authenticity of the rest.
So regardless of your best efforts to make this about forgery, the real story here is a lobbying firm, masquerading as a think tank, trying to set a school curriculum and where their money comes from:
How is Joe Bast Like Joe Camel? Looks Like We’re Going to Find Out….. « Climate Denial Crock of the Week
So regardless of your best efforts to make this about forgery, the real story here is a lobbying firm, masquerading as a think tank, trying to set a school curriculum and where their money comes from:
How is Joe Bast Like Joe Camel? Looks Like We’re Going to Find Out….. « Climate Denial Crock of the Week
I ll bet if I looked really really hard I can find a post by you and quite a few other lefties calling the climategate leak a crime. Who are the hypocrits? I am all for posting authentic Emails and Memos from either side. But I am confused what was wrong with what heartland said? Are you saying it is wrong to restore science to the class room? Show me where heartland brags about refusing to peer review any science?
I mean Al bores "earth in the lurch" is what currently passes for "science".
03-01-2012, 06:25 AM
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recession anybody ?
Just about sums it up and it,s sad.
Chu: DOE working to wean U.S. off oil, not lower prices - Alex Guillen - POLITICO.com
Chu: DOE working to wean U.S. off oil, not lower prices - Alex Guillen - POLITICO.com
03-01-2012, 02:57 PM
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Nobel prize winner Chu got smacked by the Obama campaign and is now trying to get people to beleive that and I quote "I am trying to reduce gasoline prices". Of course he doesnt say how he is trying. I suspect he is trying by growing some Obama algae in his bathtub.
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03-10-2012, 06:22 AM
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Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter
What Insurance Companies Already Know About Climate Change
by Richard Schiffman
When they woke up in the morning, my mom used to ask my dad what the weather was going to be like that day. “Stick your fool head out the window,” he would reply. I say the same thing to the Republican presidential candidates. If you want to know if climate change is for real, stick your fool heads out the window. You might notice– what the rest of us already have– that the weather has been changing. A lot.
Take New York City, where I live. Nobody remembers a winter this warm. Daffodils are already coming up in a community garden on my block–over a month early. In January, a cherry tree was in full bloom, fooled perhaps by the “spring rains” we’ve been having all winter. In the fall, a freak October storm took down thousands of still leafing trees in Central Park with the weight of wet snow. And a year earlier, the five boroughs were raked by several tornadoes, an almost unprecedented event.
New York is hardly alone. Last year over a thousand tornadoes ripped across the Midwest killing 500 people, the Mississippi river flooded inundating millions of acres, Texas had its driest summer in memory, an estimated 15,000 people died in a Russian heat wave, there was a major drought in China and famine in Somalia. 2010 was the hottest year on earth since record keeping began, with 2011 not far behind. Last year saw 14 separate billion dollar weather disasters, almost double any other year to date. And there was far more extreme weather– over half the country experienced either flood or drought.
So what’s going on? No single storm or spell of unseasonable weather can be laid categorically at the feet of climate change. But the growing consensus amongst scientists is that the rise we’ve been seeing in catastrophic weather events worldwide is no coincidence, but the inevitable result of a warming trend which produces more water vapor in the atmosphere and an increase in severe wind events like hurricanes, monster thunderstorms and tornadoes.
Yet as the scientific evidence mounts with every passing year, the deniers become more vocal in their rejection of climate change. Even Mitt Romney, the ostensible moderate amongst the Republican presidential hopefuls, asserts that, “We don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us.” Never mind that in his 2010 book, No Apology, Romney wrote, “I believe that climate change is occurring. … I also believe that human activity is a contributing factor.”
Others like Santorum, Gingrich and Paul flat out assert that climate change is a liberal hoax. But, while these ideologues evince little faith in what science is saying, they do have a habit of listening to the big corporations. So they would do well to heed the warnings of the insurance industry, a group with no political axes to grind on the question of global warming, and billions of dollars riding on their ability to accurately prognosticate future risks. On March 1st, senators Bernie Sanders and Sheldon Whitehouse met with insurance industry officials on Capital Hill to discuss their concerns about climate change and the escalating costs of damage from extreme weather.
The worldwide insurance industry is huge, three-times bigger than the oil industry. And right now these companies are running scared. Some are threatening to cancel coverage for homeowners within 200 miles of the coast, where destructive hurricanes are on the increase, and in drying areas of the West, where wildfires have wreaked havoc in recent years.
Marsh & McLennan (MMC), one of the world’s largest insurance brokers, called climate change “one of the most significant emerging risks facing the world today,” while the insurance giant AIG has established an Office of Environment and Climate Change to review and assess the risks to insurers in the years ahead.
2011 was a bad year for insurance companies due to the steep rise in catastrophe-related losses. And the industry’s own scientists are predicting that things could get a lot worse in the years ahead.
The Republicans say that we can’t afford to pay for cutting the carbon emissions which climatologists assert are largely responsible for rising global temperatures and the spike in violent weather. What we truly cannot afford, according to our nation’s leading insurers, is to continue to deny a problem whose price tag is slated to go through the roof if we don’t act quickly.
Richard Schiffman is the author of two books and is a poet based in New York City, as well as a freelance journalist. His work has appeared in the Washington Post, Salon.com, The Christian Science Monitor, NPR and leading literary journals.
by Richard Schiffman
When they woke up in the morning, my mom used to ask my dad what the weather was going to be like that day. “Stick your fool head out the window,” he would reply. I say the same thing to the Republican presidential candidates. If you want to know if climate change is for real, stick your fool heads out the window. You might notice– what the rest of us already have– that the weather has been changing. A lot.
Take New York City, where I live. Nobody remembers a winter this warm. Daffodils are already coming up in a community garden on my block–over a month early. In January, a cherry tree was in full bloom, fooled perhaps by the “spring rains” we’ve been having all winter. In the fall, a freak October storm took down thousands of still leafing trees in Central Park with the weight of wet snow. And a year earlier, the five boroughs were raked by several tornadoes, an almost unprecedented event.
New York is hardly alone. Last year over a thousand tornadoes ripped across the Midwest killing 500 people, the Mississippi river flooded inundating millions of acres, Texas had its driest summer in memory, an estimated 15,000 people died in a Russian heat wave, there was a major drought in China and famine in Somalia. 2010 was the hottest year on earth since record keeping began, with 2011 not far behind. Last year saw 14 separate billion dollar weather disasters, almost double any other year to date. And there was far more extreme weather– over half the country experienced either flood or drought.
So what’s going on? No single storm or spell of unseasonable weather can be laid categorically at the feet of climate change. But the growing consensus amongst scientists is that the rise we’ve been seeing in catastrophic weather events worldwide is no coincidence, but the inevitable result of a warming trend which produces more water vapor in the atmosphere and an increase in severe wind events like hurricanes, monster thunderstorms and tornadoes.
Yet as the scientific evidence mounts with every passing year, the deniers become more vocal in their rejection of climate change. Even Mitt Romney, the ostensible moderate amongst the Republican presidential hopefuls, asserts that, “We don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us.” Never mind that in his 2010 book, No Apology, Romney wrote, “I believe that climate change is occurring. … I also believe that human activity is a contributing factor.”
Others like Santorum, Gingrich and Paul flat out assert that climate change is a liberal hoax. But, while these ideologues evince little faith in what science is saying, they do have a habit of listening to the big corporations. So they would do well to heed the warnings of the insurance industry, a group with no political axes to grind on the question of global warming, and billions of dollars riding on their ability to accurately prognosticate future risks. On March 1st, senators Bernie Sanders and Sheldon Whitehouse met with insurance industry officials on Capital Hill to discuss their concerns about climate change and the escalating costs of damage from extreme weather.
The worldwide insurance industry is huge, three-times bigger than the oil industry. And right now these companies are running scared. Some are threatening to cancel coverage for homeowners within 200 miles of the coast, where destructive hurricanes are on the increase, and in drying areas of the West, where wildfires have wreaked havoc in recent years.
Marsh & McLennan (MMC), one of the world’s largest insurance brokers, called climate change “one of the most significant emerging risks facing the world today,” while the insurance giant AIG has established an Office of Environment and Climate Change to review and assess the risks to insurers in the years ahead.
2011 was a bad year for insurance companies due to the steep rise in catastrophe-related losses. And the industry’s own scientists are predicting that things could get a lot worse in the years ahead.
The Republicans say that we can’t afford to pay for cutting the carbon emissions which climatologists assert are largely responsible for rising global temperatures and the spike in violent weather. What we truly cannot afford, according to our nation’s leading insurers, is to continue to deny a problem whose price tag is slated to go through the roof if we don’t act quickly.
Richard Schiffman is the author of two books and is a poet based in New York City, as well as a freelance journalist. His work has appeared in the Washington Post, Salon.com, The Christian Science Monitor, NPR and leading literary journals.
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