Climategate--The Final Chapter
02-17-2012, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
They would have found other projects, made better models, studied tornados or thunderstorms, currents, etc. You seriously believe the field of meteorlogy is that limited?
02-17-2012, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
The ones who proved that might become famous, like Michelson and Morley. Sometimes an unexpected "Null Result" is the very best kind of Science, and leads to the Nobel Prize.
There is the rub isnt it; what happens when the ones dependent on the grants control who get published? WOuld you like me to quote you a couple of Mann emails?
02-17-2012, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I believe the field of meterology has grown by about 5000% in the last 30 years due to the hype of "climate change". How many mansions would Al Gore own if the false science of "Earth in the Lurch" had not been stuffed on humanity by a combination of ignorant artist and willing government stooges? Typical, no one on my side of the debate says we shouldnt study the weather. It is only your side that says the science is settled.
02-17-2012, 06:42 AM
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Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter
Originally Posted by alarkyokie
Charlatan chatter?
The laughably named Heartland Institute is shocked, shocked that anyone would use surreptitiously acquired documents to expose their lying climate denier activities:
Ummmm...wasn't this the same organization that eagerly promoted the so-called "Climategate" non-story based on misleading, selectively quoted, stolen emails?
Why, yes it was.
If you're a free-market Objectivist Republican, there's no need whatsoever to have any independent thoughts about even the smallest matter of public policy. The Heartland Institute will do it all for you, all while spending millions to influence school curricula toward more corporate-friendly rewriting of science and history.
...Heartland is threatening to sue anyone who quotes their internal memos. Yeah, good luck with that, buckos. I suspect this is just the beginning.
The free-market Heartland Institute has moved to contain the damage from explosive revelations about its efforts to discredit climate change and alter the teaching of science in schools, claiming on Wednesday it was the victim of theft and forgery...
Those documents – containing details on future projects such as a $100,000 campaign to "dissuade teachers from teaching science", as well as fundraising efforts – have been confirmed, in part, by Heartland itself, corporate donors such as Microsoft, and climate sceptic blogger Anthony Watts, who hoped to benefit from Heartland fundraising this year.
Those documents – containing details on future projects such as a $100,000 campaign to "dissuade teachers from teaching science", as well as fundraising efforts – have been confirmed, in part, by Heartland itself, corporate donors such as Microsoft, and climate sceptic blogger Anthony Watts, who hoped to benefit from Heartland fundraising this year.
Why, yes it was.
If you're a free-market Objectivist Republican, there's no need whatsoever to have any independent thoughts about even the smallest matter of public policy. The Heartland Institute will do it all for you, all while spending millions to influence school curricula toward more corporate-friendly rewriting of science and history.
...Heartland is threatening to sue anyone who quotes their internal memos. Yeah, good luck with that, buckos. I suspect this is just the beginning.
02-17-2012, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Haha! I think you are giving climate change way too much credit, but I'm sure all of those that believe in it thank you for your support! I'd say in the last 30 years we've seen a dramatic increase in computer technology and models and the ineraction between technology and meterology, so I'd say that is where it comes from, not "climate change" as you claim. But after all, it's just a claim right? How many other things associated with meterology have also increased? Aviation and flights, farming technology and science, extra-terrestrial environments (mars, etc), general environment understanding, understanding of fishing habitat, etc. If you're attributing a made up 5000% increase in meterology to climate change...then wow!
So you are saying that there arent 50 times the number of Climate Student today that there were in 1981? Or 50 times the amount of Climate grants available today? Put your money (that apparently barry took from me and gave to you) where your mouth is, give me a number.
02-17-2012, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
So you are saying that there arent 50 times the number of Climate Student today that there were in 1981? Or 50 times the amount of Climate grants available today? Put your money (that apparently barry took from me and gave to you) where your mouth is, give me a number.
This is too good!
02-17-2012, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
So what if there is? That doesn't imply causation. You're changing your words and points as you go along. Originally you said "field of meterology". Make up your mind. How much money is there for other meterology grants? Is it comparable? How much of the research transcends just "long term" climate models with applicability to short term forcasting and better computer models? There's a slew of questions you'd have to research before you can support a made up idea of "field of meterology is 5000% bigger due to climate change".
This is too good!
This is too good!
I have no idea how much money there is for other grants. Makes no difference. I am all for studing the weather. Your side is the one that says it settled give me 50 million and I can prove it. How much did the UN spend on Climate change in 1980 and how much in 2010 that ought to give us a clue.
An attack on man made climate change is not an attack on all science. Only a quack would pretend it was.
02-17-2012, 09:02 AM
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N2264J,
For about the 5th time, answer these questions that jungle has asked many times. Every time you avoid answering them, my guess is because you don't have answers. So, let's try one more time.
1. Why are Mann, Jones and others hiding data, falsifying data, and presenting false conclusions?
2. What is the correct temperature for the Earth?
3. What percentage of climate change in the past was caused by man, and what percentage by natural cycles?
4.What effect would the UN proposals or cap and trade have on the climate?
What are the costs/benefits of these proposals?
(Every time you avoid these questions I will re-post them until you give us answers. And every time you avoid them your validity goes a little further down the drain.)
For about the 5th time, answer these questions that jungle has asked many times. Every time you avoid answering them, my guess is because you don't have answers. So, let's try one more time.
1. Why are Mann, Jones and others hiding data, falsifying data, and presenting false conclusions?
2. What is the correct temperature for the Earth?
3. What percentage of climate change in the past was caused by man, and what percentage by natural cycles?
4.What effect would the UN proposals or cap and trade have on the climate?
What are the costs/benefits of these proposals?
(Every time you avoid these questions I will re-post them until you give us answers. And every time you avoid them your validity goes a little further down the drain.)
02-17-2012, 11:22 AM
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Figured out who "James" is:
Democratic National Cronyism | Washington Free Beacon
"Jim Rogers, the CEO of Duke Energy Corp., one of the largest utility corporations in the country, has given generously to Democratic politicians over the years. Along with his wife, Mary Anne, he has contributed more than $210,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008, more than double what the couple has given to Republicans. Of that figure, more than $150,000 went to the Democratic National Committee (DNC); $19,200 went to President Obama. ...
Just as Rogers has helped fund Democratic politicians, they, in turn, have helped steer massive amounts of federal funding to Duke Energy. The 2009 stimulus package, for instance, was a boon for the company: Duke received federal grants totaling $230.4 million for a number of “green” energy projects including “smart grid” development and wind energy storage.
According to Recovery.gov, Duke created 196.6 (a little over a million per) jobs as a result of the grants."
No Brakes probably refers to the way he spends other peoples money.
Democratic National Cronyism | Washington Free Beacon
"Jim Rogers, the CEO of Duke Energy Corp., one of the largest utility corporations in the country, has given generously to Democratic politicians over the years. Along with his wife, Mary Anne, he has contributed more than $210,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008, more than double what the couple has given to Republicans. Of that figure, more than $150,000 went to the Democratic National Committee (DNC); $19,200 went to President Obama. ...
Just as Rogers has helped fund Democratic politicians, they, in turn, have helped steer massive amounts of federal funding to Duke Energy. The 2009 stimulus package, for instance, was a boon for the company: Duke received federal grants totaling $230.4 million for a number of “green” energy projects including “smart grid” development and wind energy storage.
According to Recovery.gov, Duke created 196.6 (a little over a million per) jobs as a result of the grants."
No Brakes probably refers to the way he spends other peoples money.
02-17-2012, 05:47 PM
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May I suggest we get back to the science instead of deflection to unrelated subjects?
It is most unfortunate that many have chosen this as a cause celebre for whatever purpose. Stick to the science and ignore the bluster.
It is most unfortunate that many have chosen this as a cause celebre for whatever purpose. Stick to the science and ignore the bluster.
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