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Old 02-16-2012 | 07:57 AM
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Right. Was it you that said that?

-When one ponders the vein in a leaf, he fully comprehends the allegory about less government regulation.

-When one contemplates his body as pure energy condensed into matter, it's a metaphor about less taxes.

-Keeping black people and Mexicans out of your restaurant, because it's your establishment and you should have the freedom to make that decision, is the sound of one hand clapping.

Somalia - Libertarian Paradise:

REGULATION VACATION CELEBRATION! - YouTube
Ah yes the people who think the the brokest country in the history of mankind can afford to hire daily lunch inspectors so they can tell little Suzy that mommy packed a bad lunch think that segragation ended because the federal government told them to stop. Ever been to the catfish cabin in Memphis? Thank God Truman ordered the Dodgers to call up Jackie Robinson.
Old 02-16-2012 | 08:10 AM
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Again, unrelated issues. Why the reluctance to discuss the science?
Old 02-16-2012 | 08:11 AM
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Leak exposes how Heartland Institute works to undermine climate science | Environment | guardian.co.uk
Old 02-16-2012 | 08:19 AM
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You can only undermine real science by providing evidence to the contrary, the propaganda will always be there, but somehow the science is avoided like the plague in these sorts of articles.

It is unfortunate that science has been abandoned for screed.
Old 02-16-2012 | 08:23 AM
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In other news Prominent alarmist organizations keep disgraced climate scientists on the payroll while accepting big bucks from businesses and governments with a stake in the climate change power grab.
Old 02-16-2012 | 06:25 PM
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Yeah a scientist who makes his lively hood on grants to find global warming would never ignore data that didnt conform to the apporpriate finding. They arent corruptable like those slimey oil company scientists.
Well, here's the thing, I've actually done research under a grant. I guess you think they are "handing these things out" to anyone who wants them, but nothing is further from the truth. If you don't support your findings/proposal and use scientific process, you look like an idiot and there are no grants to be found. I'm not sure what kind of "holiday" you think this stuff is for these people.

These "scientists" are usually students working on degees under the guidance of professors, the professors are the ones that usually stamp their name on the reports in many cases, but in some cases the students do and in some cases it's just those professors, but they aren't a bunch of people wearing lab coats with goggles that go to work and play with chemistry sets all day or something.

It sure is easy for you to sit on the sidelines and try to knock those who actually go through scientific process. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and do the same thing? I guess I'm living proof that it's possible to not be "corrupted"...
Old 02-16-2012 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Well, here's the thing, I've actually done research under a grant. I guess you think they are "handing these things out" to anyone who wants them, but nothing is further from the truth. If you don't support your findings/proposal and use scientific process, you look like an idiot and there are no grants to be found. I'm not sure what kind of "holiday" you think this stuff is for these people.

These "scientists" are usually students working on degees under the guidance of professors, the professors are the ones that usually stamp their name on the reports in many cases, but in some cases the students do and in some cases it's just those professors, but they aren't a bunch of people wearing lab coats with goggles that go to work and play with chemistry sets all day or something.

It sure is easy for you to sit on the sidelines and try to knock those who actually go through scientific process. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and do the same thing? I guess I'm living proof that it's possible to not be "corrupted"...
Any chance you will ever at some point in the near term future get around to the actual scientific results, or is it your desire to hold us in suspense?

Since many of the models based purely on manmade CO2 have, over time, proven to be totally incorrect, it is by practical application that we must rely on actual results and data over time.
This means practical results in both our ability to control the climate, which is doubtful, and practical results from both a scientific and economic outlook. What say ye?

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Old 02-16-2012 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Well, here's the thing, I've actually done research under a grant. I guess you think they are "handing these things out" to anyone who wants them, but nothing is further from the truth. If you don't support your findings/proposal and use scientific process, you look like an idiot and there are no grants to be found. I'm not sure what kind of "holiday" you think this stuff is for these people.

These "scientists" are usually students working on degees under the guidance of professors, the professors are the ones that usually stamp their name on the reports in many cases, but in some cases the students do and in some cases it's just those professors, but they aren't a bunch of people wearing lab coats with goggles that go to work and play with chemistry sets all day or something.

It sure is easy for you to sit on the sidelines and try to knock those who actually go through scientific process. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and do the same thing? I guess I'm living proof that it's possible to not be "corrupted"...
And if there were no man made global warming, what would happen to all those students and professors?

The article I was responding to; wasnt that knocking actual scientists going through the scientific process? That is the whole point isnt it; plenty of my money is apparently going where your mouth is (man I like that last line).
Old 02-16-2012 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
And if there were no man made global warming, what would happen to all those students and professors?
The ones who proved that might become famous, like Michelson and Morley. Sometimes an unexpected "Null Result" is the very best kind of Science, and leads to the Nobel Prize.

Britannica Concise Encyclopedia:
Michelson-Morley experiment

Attempt to detect the velocity of the Earth with respect to ether, a hypothetical medium in space formerly proposed to carry light waves. It was first performed in Berlin in 1881 by A.A. Michelson and refined in the U.S. in 1887 by Michelson and Edward W. Morley (1838 – 1923). The procedure assumed that if the speed of light were constant with respect to the ether, the motion of the Earth could be detected by comparing the speed of light in the direction of the Earth's motion and the speed of light at right angles to the Earth's motion. No difference was found, and the result discredited the ether theory. As a result, Albert Einstein proposed in 1905 that the speed of light is a universal constant.

For more information on Michelson-Morley experiment, visit Britannica.com.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
And if there were no man made global warming, what would happen to all those students and professors?
They would have found other projects, made better models, studied tornados or thunderstorms, currents, etc. You seriously believe the field of meteorlogy is that limited?
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