Climategate--The Final Chapter
02-17-2012, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
The ones who proved that might become famous, like Michelson and Morley. Sometimes an unexpected "Null Result" is the very best kind of Science, and leads to the Nobel Prize.
02-17-2012, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
May I suggest we get back to the science instead of deflection to unrelated subjects?
It is most unfortunate that many have chosen this as a cause celebre for whatever purpose. Stick to the science and ignore the bluster.
It is most unfortunate that many have chosen this as a cause celebre for whatever purpose. Stick to the science and ignore the bluster.
02-17-2012, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
You'll have to show me some science, all I've seen is a money and power grab.
Power and money grabs will continue in any event.
02-18-2012, 09:39 AM
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Chinese proverb .
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.
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02-18-2012, 12:13 PM
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Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter
Originally Posted by Red Forman
N2264J,
For about the 5th time, answer these questions that jungle has asked many times. Every time you avoid answering them, my guess is because you don't have answers. So, let's try one more time.
1. Why are Mann, Jones and others hiding data, falsifying data, and presenting false conclusions?
(Every time you avoid these questions I will re-post them until you give us answers. And every time you avoid them your validity goes a little further down the drain.)
For about the 5th time, answer these questions that jungle has asked many times. Every time you avoid answering them, my guess is because you don't have answers. So, let's try one more time.
1. Why are Mann, Jones and others hiding data, falsifying data, and presenting false conclusions?
(Every time you avoid these questions I will re-post them until you give us answers. And every time you avoid them your validity goes a little further down the drain.)
As I've said here before, you don't believe what I write, read the links I post, or watch the video's I provide so why should I?
Answer: You don't care what the response will be so you guys don't get to make demands on my time. I will post on here at my convenience - thank you.
For you and jungle to ask these questions makes it obvious you haven't been paying attention to the material I provided during the threads Climategate, Climategate Part Deux, Earth Day and this thread. I can't fix that.
For example, one of the answers to # 1. was published earlier in this thread on post #97 and again below. There have been at least a half dozen independent investigations into "Climategate" and all of them vindicate the science. That means Mann, Jones and all the others were exonerated of any wrongdoing. At the end of the day, "Climategate" came to nothing.
It's a video so you don't even have to read anything.
Unwinding "Hide the Decline" - YouTube
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02-18-2012, 01:37 PM
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Questions 2, 3, and 4 have not been answered in any of your reading material or videos, therefore the reason why it was asked. They should also be pretty easy questions to answer since the science is settled.
P.S. Are you this nice to everyone, or just people that have a different viewpoint than yourself?
P.S. Are you this nice to everyone, or just people that have a different viewpoint than yourself?
02-19-2012, 06:40 AM
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Climategate Epitaph
The trajectory of public thought on climate change/global warming/etc. changed several years ago. Climategate may have been the why, but I suspect that the economy, domestically and globally, was probably the real reason. Polls show that the public ranks global warming near the bottom on a list of problems to sort. The moment for the global warming hysteria movement has passed.
Seas have been rising, ice has been receding, and temperature has been rising for some 150 centuries. At the end of the last ice age humans were a widespread, but rare, subsistence hunter-gatherers species. Since that time we have become food producers, our lifespans have increased, we specialize and exchange. In short, we have prospered; imperfectly, perhaps, but prospered nonetheless.
Science has shown that our economic activities can affect the environment. We would do well if our economic and political decisions were informed by, but not based on, knowledge garnered from climate scientists.
The idea of a global political-economy ruled by the triumvirate big government, big science, and compliant media is not going to happen. Borrowing metaphors from World War 2 we can say that the Battle of Midway is over and the momentum has shifted. I have no doubt true AGW believers will soldier on like Shoichi Yokoi but, ultimately, they will be just as irrelevant.
Thanks for an interesting couple of threads.
WW
Seas have been rising, ice has been receding, and temperature has been rising for some 150 centuries. At the end of the last ice age humans were a widespread, but rare, subsistence hunter-gatherers species. Since that time we have become food producers, our lifespans have increased, we specialize and exchange. In short, we have prospered; imperfectly, perhaps, but prospered nonetheless.
Science has shown that our economic activities can affect the environment. We would do well if our economic and political decisions were informed by, but not based on, knowledge garnered from climate scientists.
The idea of a global political-economy ruled by the triumvirate big government, big science, and compliant media is not going to happen. Borrowing metaphors from World War 2 we can say that the Battle of Midway is over and the momentum has shifted. I have no doubt true AGW believers will soldier on like Shoichi Yokoi but, ultimately, they will be just as irrelevant.
Thanks for an interesting couple of threads.
WW
02-24-2012, 07:56 AM
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The damn Mayan's started this climate change. It's all their fault....
What caused collapse of Mayan civilization? | Fox News
Scientists have long drawn connections between the slow decline of the ancient Maya, which took about two centuries, "to climate change, and especially to drought," said researcher Martín Medina-Elizalde at the Yucatan Center for Scientific Research in Mexico. "No sound estimates had been made about the severity of this drought, but some have suggested extreme scenarios."
To see how much rainfall the ancient Maya saw before the demise of their civilization, the researchers combined the four most detailed records of past climate changes known regarding the civilization's collapse — three from nearby lakes and one from a stalagmite, a mineral formation that grows upward from a cave floor. This helped develop a model of "the region's balance between evaporation and rainfall," Medina-Elizalde said.
The scientists found that rainfall in the region decreased episodically for periods as long as a decade at a time.
If only they had implemented some kind of phony scheme to tax all the Mayan working people who were releasing harmful gases in to the air, they would still be here. But alas, they didn't and now they are gone. We better get our butts in gear and get this worldwide scam going to save the human race from.....MOTHER EARTH.
What caused collapse of Mayan civilization? | Fox News
Scientists have long drawn connections between the slow decline of the ancient Maya, which took about two centuries, "to climate change, and especially to drought," said researcher Martín Medina-Elizalde at the Yucatan Center for Scientific Research in Mexico. "No sound estimates had been made about the severity of this drought, but some have suggested extreme scenarios."
To see how much rainfall the ancient Maya saw before the demise of their civilization, the researchers combined the four most detailed records of past climate changes known regarding the civilization's collapse — three from nearby lakes and one from a stalagmite, a mineral formation that grows upward from a cave floor. This helped develop a model of "the region's balance between evaporation and rainfall," Medina-Elizalde said.
The scientists found that rainfall in the region decreased episodically for periods as long as a decade at a time.
If only they had implemented some kind of phony scheme to tax all the Mayan working people who were releasing harmful gases in to the air, they would still be here. But alas, they didn't and now they are gone. We better get our butts in gear and get this worldwide scam going to save the human race from.....MOTHER EARTH.
02-24-2012, 08:30 AM
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Hey we learned the same lesson spain learned, you can go broke funding green jobs. Luckily we can print money and spain cant.
Cost of $10 Billion Stimulus - WSJ.com
Cost of $10 Billion Stimulus - WSJ.com
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