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Old 12-10-2011, 10:17 AM   #61  
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Even people that don't stay at a Holiday Inn Express are aware that Earth cools and warms in cycles. There is no point in arguing about that.

The debate is over how much, if any, man is contributing to the current level and rate of warming. Many of you geniuses seem to agree with the minute percentage of qualified scientists that believe humans are not a significant factor in global warming...Rather than the overwhelming majority of scientists, that believe "human induced green house warming" is now occurring.

Now, unlike you APC climatology experts...I'm not completely sure. But, I'm inclined to go with the majority of people that are qualified to have an opinion that anyone should really care about. And, that group of people certainly doesn't include any of you.

Just sayin'.

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THIS is what it's really about.

United Nations climate envoys have proposed the creation of a global "climate court" that would be responsible for enforcing a sprawling set of rules requiring developed countries to cut emissions while compensating poorer countries in order to pay off a "historical climate debt."

In one section, the document calls for developed countries to help poorer countries with "finance, technology and capacity building" so they can "adapt to and mitigate climate change" while helping eliminate poverty. Another section provides that developing countries should receive an amount of money equal to the amount "developed countries spend on defense, security and warfare."



Thats ALL you need to know.

U.N. Floats Global 'Climate Court' To Enforce Emissions Rules | Fox News

Durban: what the media are not telling you | Watts Up With That?


It's all about the Benjamin's. WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION( with billions also pocketed by the usual crowd).
It does seem somewhat curious that the people pushing this are also the people pushing for wealth and power distribution for all sorts of unrelated reasons.
The UN has been the classic soap box for the worst kinds of tyranny the world has ever seen. Science has never been their strong point, nor world peace for that matter. Human rights are their alleged currency, and they have always been corrupt and bankrupt.

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If his explanation about carbon sequestration, the Vostok graph and the Keeling curve in the link I provided is over your head, maybe you should rethink your contempt for his delivery.
It is just too hard for most of us poor knuckleheads to understand, just let the UN do whatever it needs to do with your life and money!


The real problem is that not one prediction has come true, man's activities have not destroyed the climate or even caused a meaningful rise in temperature. Natural cycles quite clearly have done so and will do so in the future.

In its entire history, the UN has never made a scientific breakthrough, it has however been continually involved in some of the most corrupt operations on the planet and these have involved the highest levels of its leadership.

Take another look at the Climategate emails, they display the level of corruption we are dealing with here very clearly. They make it clear that the "consensus" is to pull the wool over the eyes of the world.

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Old 12-10-2011, 10:18 AM   #62  
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Most people on his side love to dish it out, but don't you dare try to say anything negative to them or their argument. Double standard at it's finest.
Kind of reminds me of this quote by Churchill -
Everybody is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people’s idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage.

The old mans used this one among several others on occasion and it makes the dinner parties a bit more interesting.


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Old 12-10-2011, 11:43 AM   #63  
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Take another look at the Climategate emails, they display the level of corruption we are dealing with here very clearly. They make it clear that the "consensus" is to pull the wool over the eyes of the world.
Yes, bright shiny objects appeal to you huh? The Climategate emails are hardly representative of climate science. That wasn't even a good try.
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Yes, bright shiny objects appeal to you huh? The Climategate emails are hardly representative of climate science. That wasn't even a good try.
You are correct, the Climategate emails and the UN IPCC are doing everything they can to hide the results of real climate science.


At this point I would like to invite our gentle readers to examine the arguments and proposals of N2264J, Busboy and LeftWing. It goes like this: All of you are too stupid to understand this, the UN knows what is best for all of us, and all of the evidence to the contrary is meaningless.

If you want to understand the real motives here, the article in "The Nation" provided by N2264J will give you some real insight. As will the UN proposals.

The real message is that both science and economics are going to be ignored to follow this agenda, the implications for those who actually care about humanity are going to be far worse than the "emergency" that has been created.

Science and economics have been turned into a meaningless football that has nothing at all to do with the ultimate goal. Fortunately this attitude has recently run into the cold hard facts of reality.

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You are correct, the Climategate emails and the UN IPCC are doing everything they can to hide the results of real climate science.


At this point I would like to invite our gentle readers to examine the arguments and proposals of N2264J, Busboy and LeftWing. It goes like this: All of you are too stupid to understand this, the UN knows what is best for all of us, and all of the evidence to the contrary is meaningless.

If you want to understand the real motives here, the article in "The Nation" provided by N2264J will give you some real insight. As will the UN proposals.

The real message is that both science and economics are going to be ignored to follow this agenda, the implications for those who actually care about humanity are going to be far worse than the "emergency" that has been created.

Science and economics have been turned into a meaningless football that has nothing at all to do with the ultimate goal. Fortunately this attitude has recently run into the cold hard facts of reality.

Ed Zachary.

The result will be extremely high energy prices, followed by extremely high food prices. At the same time the 3rd world countries getting our money(most of it will be kept by the thieves running those countries) will be producing more 3rd world babies who will CONTINUE to starve to death in poverty. Welcome to the start of another world war.
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...At this point I would like to invite our gentle readers to examine the arguments and proposals of N2264J, Busboy and LeftWing. It goes like this: All of you are too stupid to understand this, the UN knows what is best for all of us, and all of the evidence to the contrary is meaningless...
Is that what I said? Thanks for clearing that up for me. I must have misspelled UN. As, it's not clearly visible in my post.
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That claim was debunked almost immediately.

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...Now that it is clear the only thing phony about the whole affair is Solomon’s story itself, the most important remaining question is whether the National Post and Energy Probe will issue much-needed corrections. Based on past form, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
The IPCC is made up of scientists from different fields and skill sets who don't have
the background or credentials to critique the work of others so the papers get written and reviewed by a few dozen experts, not the entire organization.

This is yet another example of a breathless assertion made because, as laymen, we head down the path with our pants on fire because we simply don't know what we're talking about.

Mike Hulme sets Lawrence Solomon and Marc Morano straight | Deep Climate

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Old 12-10-2011, 03:37 PM   #68  
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Is that what I said? Thanks for clearing that up for me. I must have misspelled UN. As, it's not clearly visible in my post.
Fair enough, you can just tell us you don't accept the findings of the UN IPCC and don't support their proposed "solution". You wouldn't have any problem with doing that right now would you? That's what I thought.

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That claim was debunked almost immediately.



The IPCC is made up of scientists from different fields and skill sets who don't have
the background or credentials to critique the work of others so the papers get written and reviewed by a few dozen experts, not the entire organization.

This is yet another example of a breathless assertion made because, as laymen, we head down the path with our pants on fire because we simply don't know what we're talking about.

Mike Hulme sets Lawrence Solomon and Marc Morano straight | Deep Climate
It does not take much "debunking" for anything the UN says for you does it?

Tell us right now that you support their findings and proposals, and that you applaud their scrubbing of their incorrect predictions on a regular basis from their web site. Breathless and factless assertions indeed.

Can you tell us what portion of any warming or cooling is caused by man and what portion is due to natural cycles?

Can you tell us why the UN stated man's effects will not be changeable for at least a thousand years?

And they really get the message across with hard hitting stories about how women and minorities are going to bear the brunt of everything that has gone on since time began.

Women bear the brunt of climate change
Women, particularly those living in the mountainous regions in developing countries, face disproportionately high risks to their livelihoods and health from global warming, says a U.N. report on Climate Change.

The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report titled ‘Women at the Frontline of Climate Change: Gender Risks and Hopes' says investing in low-carbon and efficient green technologies, water harvesting and fuel wood alternatives can strengthen climate change adaptation and improve women's livelihoods.

The report was released at the U.N. Climate Change Conference (COP17) in Durban, South Africa, according to a press release issued by the ICIMOD (International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development) headquartered in Kathmandu.

Impacts of climate change, such as droughts, floods and mud slips are affecting a growing number of people worldwide, according to the report.

“From 1999-2008, floods affected almost one billion people in Asia, 28 million in the Americas, 22 million in Africa and four million in Europe.”

In parts of Asia and Africa, where the majority of the agricultural workforce are women, such disasters have a major impact on their income, food security and health.

“Women often play a stronger role than men in the management of ecosystem services and food security. Hence, sustainable adaptation must focus on gender and the role of women if it is to become successful,” said U.N. Under Secretary-General and UNEP Executive Director Achim Steiner.

“Women's voices, responsibilities and knowledge on the environment and the challenges they face will need to be made a central part of governments' adaptive responses to a rapidly changing climate,” he added.

The reports also highlights how organised human trafficking, especially that of women, is emerging as a potentially serious risk associated with climate-related disasters; as floods or landslips disrupt social safety nets.
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I predict a straw shortage because the UN is grabbing at every one.

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Interesting read -
The Fiction Of Climate Science - Forbes.com
It just might be that these 'experts 'cried wolf just one too many times.


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Why should I waste my time with you? You obviously don't believe anything I put up here. You apparently think NASA, NOAA, the Pentagon, the National Academy of Science, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science are all dirty hippy tree hugging lefty radicals that can't be believed.
What I find puzzling is there are still people who find these climate change advocates credible. This BS has been debunked for years. Retired NASA scientist Dr. John S. Theon is yet another scientist who has repudiated all this man-made climate change nonsense and voiced his conclusions that “climate models are useless”. As chief of several NASA programs from 1982 to 1994, Theon was responsible for all weather and climate research, and oversaw the work of Dr. James Hansen. Hansen is NASA's foremost proponent of man-made global warming. Hansen has compared coal trains to Nazi death trains, and has lobbied for the prosecution of coal industry executives. Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress.

Dr. Theon has repudiated all of this. "I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man-made," Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. After publicly stating: "climate models are useless" Dr. Theon is on record as saying, “Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it. They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists. This is clearly contrary to how science should be done. Thus there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy.”

Dr. Theon is in good company. A U.S. Senate Minority Report released in December 2008 names more than 650 international scientists who are dissenting from man-made global warming fears. This is greater than twelve times as many scientists as the 52 who co-authored the UN reports that American bureaucrats continue to cite. These 650 scientists include: Aerospace engineer, physicist, and NASA Administrator (April 13, 2005 to January 20, 2009) Dr. Michael Griffin; Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman to receive a PhD in meteorology; Geophysicist and former astronaut Dr. Phil Chapman; Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt; Apollo 7 Astronaut and Physicist Walter Cunningham; Chemist and Nuclear Engineer Robert DeFayette (formerly with NASA's Plum Brook Reactor); Ferenc Miskolczi, an atmospheric physicist and former researcher with NASA's Ames Research Center; Climatologist Dr. John Christy; Climatologist Dr. Roy W. Spencer; and Atmospheric Scientist Ross Hays of NASA's Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility.

In summary, while the vast majority of scientists are going in one direction--repudiating claims of a man-made climate disaster--politicians are going the other direction--embracing such claims and shackling industry on those "grounds." The $64.00 question is why?, as the scientific case for man-made global warming collapses, why are politicians all the more determined to impose draconian controls on industry?

How is this for a reason?: Global warming has become a big-ticket item in the eyes of its supporters. At stake are research funds, jobs for the looters and the ability for despots to control lives all over the globe.

James Hansen’s Former NASA Supervisor Declares Himself a Skeptic – Says Hansen ‘Embarrassed NASA’, ‘Was Never Muzzled’, & Models ‘Useless’ | Watts Up With That?
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