Hawaiian Hiring FOs
06-01-2025 | 09:13 AM
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that’s not accurate. If there is a fence and no Hawaiian pilots bid for the vacancy slots then Alaska pilots would have the opportunity bid for the openings. Could new hires get 787? Yes, but Alaska pilots on property would get a crack at it before new hire Alaska pilots.
99% that fences would simply give legacy HAL pilots first shot at WB's. Exceptionally unlikely they would exclude legacy AS pilots to the point where the company would have to hire people for WB vacancies once they run out of HAL pilots.
While legacy HAL folks might hypothetically prefer that, since AS pilots bidding unfilled vacancies would likely be senior, the SLI will likely mitigate that with super-seniority for WB CA's anyway.
I'm also 99% certain that the AS CBA requires that vacancies be made available to old hires before new hires. Allowing the company to set aside vacancies for new hires would invariably screw pilots, as the company would then do things like give desirable base slots to new hires in the interest of recruiting/retention, on the assumption that old hires are less likely to quit.
06-01-2025 | 09:37 AM
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That’s up for debate also, if there’s a fence for the plane, who knows how it will defined, but in theory only Hawaiian legacy could bid it, unless new hires could then be assigned it as a new hire if it goes unfilled during a position/vacancy bid, depending how long a fence is in place…sorry there will a thousands “ifs”.
This conversation will cover the next 5 or so pages of comments.
So, I think new hires could get it. Primarily because we’ll need 100’s more FOs for augmented flights.
This conversation will cover the next 5 or so pages of comments.
So, I think new hires could get it. Primarily because we’ll need 100’s more FOs for augmented flights.
06-01-2025 | 04:21 PM
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That’s up for debate also, if there’s a fence for the plane, who knows how it will defined, but in theory only Hawaiian legacy could bid it, unless new hires could then be assigned it as a new hire if it goes unfilled during a position/vacancy bid, depending how long a fence is in place…sorry there will a thousands “ifs”.
This conversation will cover the next 5 or so pages of comments.
So, I think new hires could get it. Primarily because we’ll need 100’s more FOs for augmented flights.
This conversation will cover the next 5 or so pages of comments.
So, I think new hires could get it. Primarily because we’ll need 100’s more FOs for augmented flights.
Hundreds and hundreds of FOs! So many FOs
06-01-2025 | 11:33 PM
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Oh really how does it work?
See this is where this is going….
No one knows what language will dictate assignments.
If FO vacancies go unfilled, they can hire into it. Its possible.
If Captain vacancies go unfilled….what? One of you seem to know exactly ….
Then the company can junior assign into that seat, although we have no language for that specifically.
This will be up to the arbitrator and writing the language for these scenarios, none of know.
See this is where this is going….
No one knows what language will dictate assignments.
If FO vacancies go unfilled, they can hire into it. Its possible.
If Captain vacancies go unfilled….what? One of you seem to know exactly ….
Then the company can junior assign into that seat, although we have no language for that specifically.
This will be up to the arbitrator and writing the language for these scenarios, none of know.
06-01-2025 | 11:37 PM
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that’s not accurate. If there is a fence and no Hawaiian pilots bid for the vacancy slots then Alaska pilots would have the opportunity bid for the openings. Could new hires get 787? Yes, but Alaska pilots on property would get a crack at it before new hire Alaska pilots.
It’ll be in the language for the SLI.
06-02-2025 | 05:43 AM
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06-02-2025 | 08:00 AM
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06-02-2025 | 08:24 AM
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While I think the broad strokes of SLI are pretty much a done deal based on precedent, this is the kind of detail that could be presented to the arbitrator and it seems very unlikely to me that an arbitrator would see any basis in policy or "fairness" to completely exclude AS pilots from WB's under all circumstances. I know there's at least some historical precedence for people bidding WB FO slots which went unfilled from the fenced group.
06-02-2025 | 08:55 AM
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As a potential new hire this discussion has given me a lot to think about.. like what flight bag is best for the 787? Needs to be able to fit camera gear so I can film my "day in the life of a 787 pilot" series for instagram.
06-02-2025 | 03:00 PM
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I hope Akamai and the rest of you are correct and everyone gets the seat they want out of this thing! My intent on any comment wasn’t that I know, just that the one poster asked about getting into a 787!
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