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Old 01-27-2017, 07:11 AM
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Horizon Air pilots take carrier to court over signing bonus, threaten strike - seattlepi.com
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Old 01-27-2017, 07:51 AM
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Lawsuit Against Horizon

1-27-2017

Fellow Horizon Pilots,

This morning your union filed a lawsuit against Horizon Air in the U.S. District Court for injunctive relief and other relief for violations of the Railway Labor Act in response to the unwarranted introduction of bonuses being paid to attract new-hire pilots.

As you know, during Horizonís ďcommit to competeĒ campaign in 2015, were told that we had to reduce costs to remain competitive with non-union SkyWest and that if we could attain certain cost reductions, Air Group would purchase E-175 jets that would ensure growth and the sustainability of Horizon. Unfortunately, Horizon overreached, and immediately felt the consequences of its actions and asked us, once again, to modify our contract. You overwhelmingly rejected the Letter of Agreement you were presented as a Band-Aid. We have been in negotiations since, once again, to try to fix managementís short-sighted attempts to get your work for the very least cost possible. All of this has made little sense to your EXCO in the face of a national pilot shortage crisis.

During the course of negotiations between September and December 6, 2016 management has steadfastly refused to acknowledge where its peer carriers were moving in terms of pay, and instead wanted us to sign short-sighted agreements that they would reopen if they didnít have their desired effect. While, that may be a good idea in managementís eyes, it is nothing that your union can agree to, it violates the fundamental requirement that we represent incumbent pilots, not those who donít work here yet. And further, a bonus just to get a pilot through the door does little to ensure the operational sustainability of Horizon.

We are sure that you will hear the rhetoric heat up from management once again; threatening all of our jobs, repeating their use of a stick (threats to you) and carrots (bonuses to new-hires) in their tired strategy of putting Band-Aids on their problems, relying on its professional pilots to take yet another one for the team. We are hopeful that this lawsuit will result in meaningful dialog between management and your union to find solutions that will ensure the long-term viability of our airline.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Freelindy View Post
Lawsuit Against Horizon

1-27-2017

Fellow Horizon Pilots,

This morning your union filed a lawsuit against Horizon Air in the U.S. District Court for injunctive relief and other relief for violations of the Railway Labor Act in response to the unwarranted introduction of bonuses being paid to attract new-hire pilots.

As you know, during Horizonís ďcommit to competeĒ campaign in 2015, were told that we had to reduce costs to remain competitive with non-union SkyWest and that if we could attain certain cost reductions, Air Group would purchase E-175 jets that would ensure growth and the sustainability of Horizon. Unfortunately, Horizon overreached, and immediately felt the consequences of its actions and asked us, once again, to modify our contract. You overwhelmingly rejected the Letter of Agreement you were presented as a Band-Aid. We have been in negotiations since, once again, to try to fix managementís short-sighted attempts to get your work for the very least cost possible. All of this has made little sense to your EXCO in the face of a national pilot shortage crisis.

During the course of negotiations between September and December 6, 2016 management has steadfastly refused to acknowledge where its peer carriers were moving in terms of pay, and instead wanted us to sign short-sighted agreements that they would reopen if they didnít have their desired effect. While, that may be a good idea in managementís eyes, it is nothing that your union can agree to, it violates the fundamental requirement that we represent incumbent pilots, not those who donít work here yet. And further, a bonus just to get a pilot through the door does little to ensure the operational sustainability of Horizon.

We are sure that you will hear the rhetoric heat up from management once again; threatening all of our jobs, repeating their use of a stick (threats to you) and carrots (bonuses to new-hires) in their tired strategy of putting Band-Aids on their problems, relying on its professional pilots to take yet another one for the team. We are hopeful that this lawsuit will result in meaningful dialog between management and your union to find solutions that will ensure the long-term viability of our airline.
That is a great letter and it is good to see a pilot group standing up for themselves. The posts on this forum are having the desired effects. My class started out with 90% wanting to go to Horizon but that % has shrunk dramatically. These are great loyal PNW students that would love to fly professionally in the PNW but they are learning solidarity and how it can hopefully change work rules.
I hope the Horizon pilot group can stay strong through the coming sh#* storm from management.

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Old 01-27-2017, 09:20 AM
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The one-time signing bonus -- a $10,000 lump sum paid before training -- for new hires and education reimbursement program were part a comprehensive plan the union brought to Horizon in December in response to a growing shortage of pilots across the industry.

"the union brought to Horizon"?????????
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Originally Posted by dbcooper1313 View Post
The one-time signing bonus -- a $10,000 lump sum paid before training -- for new hires and education reimbursement program were part a comprehensive plan the union brought to Horizon in December in response to a growing shortage of pilots across the industry.

"the union brought to Horizon"?????????
The union has made numerous attempts at trying to "help the company come up with a plan to help encourage hiring" at Horizon. These attempts to offer up suggestions have been met with a "Thanks, but no thanks...we know better than you do, and we choose to believe we don't have an a hiring issue".

Horizon is now so far behind the 8-ball that they need to do more than other regionals are offering, simply getting up to "level" with them just won't cut it.
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Originally Posted by SurferLucas View Post
The union has made numerous attempts at trying to "help the company come up with a plan to help encourage hiring" at Horizon. These attempts to offer up suggestions have been met with a "Thanks, but no thanks...we know better than you do, and we choose to believe we don't have an a hiring issue".

Horizon is now so far behind the 8-ball that they need to do more than other regionals are offering, simply getting up to "level" with them just won't cut it.
Am I understanding this correctly? The union encouraged Horizon to give these pre employment bonuses? Or is this an "alternative fact"?
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My guess is the IBT proposal included the bonuses, but paid in a similar setup to other regionals, and as part of a package that included something for the people already on the seniority list.
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cactusflyer View Post
My guess is the IBT proposal included the bonuses, but paid in a similar setup to other regionals, and as part of a package that included something for the people already on the seniority list.
Exactly..someone gets it
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The IBT proposal was to pay pilots on the seniority list the same amount as new hires. Instead Horizon decided to go around the contract by paying new hires the $10,000 just before they were issued badges. It went like this. Here is your 10k, then a few moments later here is your badge and now you are an employee. BTW after taxes the 10k ends up being $6700
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lowflying View Post
It's 13 in 35 day bid. Not sure what it is now. Starting with jets reserves get 12 a month. Line holders get 11per 30 day month and 12 per 31.
Like I said, 13 now, which is a 35 day bid, the new contract is valid when the jet takes its first revenue flight, then 11/12. What am I missing?
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