Excellent point but don’t forget to add that if we don’t see the greater good and open our eyes, this is a good deal, a million times better than a PEA. If we vote No, the company will save 300milliin in the first year we waste trying to negotiate things we likely won’t get. PTO sell gone but if you do the math, 10yr cpt gets 105 hrs paid extra a year, then pick up a trip during those three weeks vacation adding another 60 hours, so not selling any pto you get 165 hours paid

 

I don't know what any of this means. And I've "lawyered" several contracts. Whatever that means. Hard-coding by external reference? Whatever that is, it's not necessary, the clause itself is sufficient. And you want a contract written to cover every possible infinite permutation, foreseeable or not? Well I've got a bridge to sell you. That's not reasonable. You'd get shot out of court in a cannon if you demanded that from a judge. (or mediator, or arbiter, or ALJ ...)

 

If you've read several contracts, hopefully not just airline contracts, then you would understand this contract was written by kids with Crayolas. Why do you think a contract cannot cover more situations than this TA currently does? Ever heard of catch all language?


External reference means that instead of drawing hard lines in a contract, they write in the contract "reference company policy X". And, Policy X is not controlled by the contract and the company retains the sole authority to rewrite and enforce the policy however they see fit. The existence of the Dependability Policy by external reference in the TA proves my point. ALPA basically pulled a fast one on everyone with their non-sensical answer that it's not within the RLA. Of course it's not within the RLA - because *nothing* is. The RLA does not contain either party as to what is discussed - it provided a framework to get two parties to voluntarily talk, emphasis on.... VOLUNTARY. You should read the entire RLA some time instead of just blindly trusting what other people tell you. Dump what you think you know and learn the RLA itslef. If B6ALPA wanted to put a less unfair version of the dependability policy in the contract, they could have, instead of legitimizing the existing policy. Even if BJ didn't agree to it, we could just continue to say NO until it becomes too costly for them to keep standing their ground. According to the RLA, *no one* can make us say yes to anything. There's always a chance we may not get released to strike, but we might not need to strike since BJ clearly has plans and they can't do it without a contract in place, particularly if we keep resisting them. If we agree to a sub-par contract, then we do so voluntarily according to the RLA. We must stop this RJ mentality and begin to really fight.

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So your criteria is simply getting something better than the PEA? You know, *anything* is better than the PEA. The PEA always ends in arbitration and you would never get much out of that kind of process. It's all smoke and mirrors. Arbitration is always favorable to the company. Remember 3A. There's a reason why car dealerships and cell phone companies want you to sign an arbitration clause - because it benefits them. So, of course this TA will be better than the PEA, which really never amounted to anything in the first place. Maybe you should recalculate the numbers because in a year or two we'll be dead last in pay (again). it will cost us a lot more in the long run by waiving the white flag now. Any little override or contract language will not be able to compensate for the small base pay unless you're super senior or you pick up tons of RSAs. In any case, you will be forced to be more productive in order to begin to approach the pay of a respectable airline. Contrast this TA to Delta... their pilots are the most unproductive, we're the most productive. They get paid the most, we get paid the least. This TA is not changing the balance of the equation - we're still the most productive pilots and the least paid (or darn well near the least).



The truth is that you have no idea what we can get. Just like you can't even accurately predict if any of your math will work out since they control so much of the equation such as what routes they fly, staffing levels, etc. In order to make your claim, you had to make massive assumptions. So you cannot ever argue from a standpoint of fact.



This is not a good deal. You believe it is but you have no real way to justify it other than saying that it's "better" than what we had before. That's the RJ mentality... opportunism without principle or standards.





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Are you new here or do you just work for management? Are you F-ing kidding me with this crap?

 

Lol. I'm starting to believe you're just trolling. There's no way a real pilot can be this ignorant or just plain naive.

 

Stop comparing this POS TA to the PEA. Compare it to your current peer contracts. You're at the bottom of the list and fall further behind every year.


Dude. You're the company's wet dream. Pick up trips over vacation to make more money? I thought the idea was to work less and make more.



I'll give the company credit. Their HR department did an amazing job picking this pilot group. I couldn't haven imagined it if I hadn't seen this crap with my own eyes.

 

Why not 3%, 3%, 2%, 2%?

Or 3, 2, 2, 2?

 

Haha been here 8yrs and still love reading crap like this. Stay in your bunker until your ready to pull your head out of the sand! This is better than our pea and easily market rate! This also isn’t Delta and if you want them so bad, go work there. Company wet dream? Sure! But you guys cry about selling pto and doing that is working the exact same weeks as if you work over vacation. Ignorance is bliss and your very naive!

 

If somebody wants to fly over their vacation, what’s it to you? Everybody gather around, Bunker is going to be setting the min/ max credit according to his internal compass.