Why I'm voting Yes
07-02-2018 | 08:35 AM
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Not taking it personally I know what you meant. I think towards the end, just before we agreed to the AIP, we were headed in that exact direction. We're never going to get 100% compliance, but we had enough where it was making an impact. Plus we were headed into the busiest part of the year where our SOP flying would have crippled this company. We had the upper hand, or at least significant leverage for the first time in this entire process and I feel we let them off the mat. We left money on the table, I'm convinced of that.
07-02-2018 | 08:37 AM
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The future is always “uncertain”. Also a trade war would not good for the EU, Canada, or China. We have massive trade imbalances with those blocs that benefit them. We spend our money buying their goods. They refuse to buy ours, as they have massive tariffs already on US goods to protect their industries. Now its their turn and they don’t like it.
sarcasm, off... just in case that wasn't clear.
07-02-2018 | 08:56 AM
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True. It is what it is at this point. The decision is whether this is something you can stomach for the next 6-7 years or whether we're willing to fight to make this a contract we can be proud of.
07-02-2018 | 11:14 AM
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The upcoming downturn shouldn’t have any weight on your decisions. 2 easy things to keep in mind. If it does go south, half of us are furloughed anyway so we won’t have the chance to enjoy our TA. And second, you do realize every contract was thrown out in court in 2002. Nice try Shu.
07-02-2018 | 11:23 AM
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Never let fear mongers dictate these decisions, no one can or ever has predicted economic ups or downs with absolute certainty. Make the decision if this is good for you now, if not vote no. Fear factoring is childish, stop trying to instill fear into the equation. Is the deal that bad, that it can’t stand on its own merits, but rather must rely on fear to sell it? Shameful. Good luck guys.
07-02-2018 | 11:44 AM
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Never let fear mongers dictate these decisions, no one can or ever has predicted economic ups or downs with absolute certainty. Make the decision if this is good for you now, if not vote no. Fear factoring is childish, stop trying to instill fear into the equation. Is the deal that bad, that it can’t stand on its own merits, but rather must rely on fear to sell it? Shameful. Good luck guys.
It is shameful to attack/ridicule other pilots for not voting how you think they should vote.
07-02-2018 | 11:57 AM
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Isn't the unemployment rate hugely tied to airline success? Poor people don't buy airline tickets. Struggling businesses don't hire people, therefore the macrocosm of US business is much different than the OP suggested. The unemployment rate has steadily improved during Trump, as much as I disagree with a lot of the things he does. It's at it's lowest point since 2000.
07-02-2018 | 12:01 PM
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I don't think anyone is relying on fear. A calculus of risk vs reward should be part of the decision. Some are more risk tolerant than others. Someone who isn't risk tolerant isn't somehow a bad person or shameful for voting in accordance with their own needs, nor are they for sharing their perspective.
It is shameful to attack/ridicule other pilots for not voting how you think they should vote.
It is shameful to attack/ridicule other pilots for not voting how you think they should vote.
Not true. Many people are taking into consideration what happens if the economy tanks tomorrow. That's fear, irrational fear. And it's even been propagated by many of the MEC members and several other top union officers.
07-02-2018 | 12:03 PM
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The fact that you accept that risk is fine. Others do not accept that risk, which is fine also. But to deny that it exists as a risk at all is incorrect.
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